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2012/15 Kosuke Kinoshita @ SC Freiburg (GER) Thread [R]

Discussion in 'Japanese Abroad' started by sc-f, Jan 11, 2013.

  1. sc-f

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    Name: Kosuke Kinoshita
    Birth: October 3, 1995
    Position: Center FW
    Clubs: FC Yokohama Youth 2007-2010, FC Yokohama (2011-2012), SC Freiburg (2013-)

    Move announced on twitter @kosuke_kk
     


  2. Dax

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    Very good news, but I hope to see something from Friburg itself. Otherwise, I guess he's just going to play in their youth team for now...
     
  3. Saku²

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    why ?
     
  4. Dax

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    Because at City he would have no chance to make it to the first team.
     


  5. Saku²

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    He wasn't playing for City but Yokohama FC.
     
  6. Dax

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    He was just playing in the youth, I think he didn't even made the pitch once in J2.
    この度SCフライブルクに入ることになりました。夢のプロサッカー選手になれて、しかもブンデスリーガでプレーできるなんてとても幸せです。家族はもちろん、僕に関わってくださったすべての人に感謝しています。 一日でもはやくデビューできるように頑張ります。

    It seems that he wanted to make the jump to a decent team earlier, so of course behind those 2 I'm rooting for the team which made most sense. ;)
     
  7. Saku²

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    Of course, he didn't he's a 1995. Good luck to him but that's bold. sc-f posted a HL video of him earlier, one which probably created by his agency, I hope it's not the work an agent who talked him into moving too soon.
     
  8. Dax

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    Quiz time: How many years old was Yuya Kubo when he scored 10 goals in J2

    Anyway, let it dream... if it's a bad move, he will get back in Japan later. Yes I know Mizuno blah blah, you take the bet, you know the risks. If it's real that Mancini liked him and he has something special, hopefully he will prove it some way.

    And, I mean, Friburg let even Kisho Yano play
     
  9. Saku²

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    If he was so special he would have been called up for the U19 Asia Tournament. He's good, I've read reports of his prowess during the U18 cup all year long, but moving so young is a risk to mess up his development for good. Lots of guys can't recover once they lost 2 or 3 years.

    And Kubo is the exception, not the rule.
     
  10. Dax

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    You're getting in really risky territory there... I'll just say "not really". And according to the reports, he did impress City - honestly you would hope they are a little more rigid than Yokohama, I have no idea how many hundreds of trials they could have.

    Look, you know that I fully agree about the risks right? So I can see your intentions. Maybe he will never make a bench at Friburg in 3 years, who knows. I'm just saying, it's his choice, from what I can read he's happy as hell, I'd stop thinking that there must be some kind of heartless agent behind all the trials and he was hypnotized.
    Kubo may be the exception, but hey, I'm not saying the had to play 20 matches. We're talking about never making a bench... !
     
  11. Saku²

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    It's absolutely normal he didn't make the bench at 17 given the fact Yokohama FC were playing for promotion and already had enough strikers.

    As for the trial thing, lots of youngsters from all over the world pass those trials and you never hear him of them again. It's low risks moves, big clubs are always willing to take the bet.

    As for the agent thing, having a HL video posted about a kid who is only 17 is a bit suspicious. I feel sorry for Yokohama who won't get the chance to enjoy the player they've raised.
     
  12. Majster2

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    But sometimes after being lost somewhere in the world they sometimes make progress like Desmond reported in JLTR thread living his version of 'Japanese dream' getting promoted from JFL to J2 ;)
     
    Dax repped this.
  13. Saku²

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    Ibusuki has played for Real Madrid !! II
     
  14. sc-f

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    His main place will be U19, and he'll be also eligible for the U23 team (4th division). Also with half of the regulars of the first team coming through our own ranks, there is no fear that he'll get no chance NOR that he'll be overused.

    Don't see what is the point here. Kinoshita is not Usami and Freiburg is not Bayern.
     
  15. Saku²

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    In his club he was the big thing, there he will just be a kid amongst all. We have yet to see a success story of the kind, hence the caution. But good luck to him.
     
  16. Dax

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    Why do you think he's gonna be "a kid amongst all", I don't get it, why would they even go and pick him then.
    I know that was what you were afraid about, but btw
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshi_Ibusuki
     
  17. Saku²

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    soon to be 22 and playing in Belgium's second division, that's some massive success there. The more established players in Europe right now all started in Japan, proved they worth then moved on.

    Because that's how it works, European football is much more competitive and he's going to have everything to prove from the scratch in a foreign environment. I'm not bringing him down, that's just a reality.
     
  18. Dax

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    yes, meanwhile Maeda is still in Japan - at over 30. The fact that someone got a transfer doesn't mean anything. Many more players go unnoticed, he had (well, believed in) a chance now and took it.

    "The more established players in Europe now all started in Japan"

    and who are the young players that started their career in Europe you are comparing them to? :unsure:

    About belgium, let's be honest... I blame his inept agent, I refuse to believe that he couldn't get a loan to La liga's second division... it's not like he didn't do well enough...

    I know, you're right. That's the fascinating challenge at the same time though. Consider this: he's going to develop in a more quality environment, which could even benefit him if he's talented for real (I mean, Barca makes Messi a god) and according to sc-f it's also a good place for young players. Let's see how it goes his first season in the U19 and Regionalliga. ;)
     
  19. Saku²

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    Sending guys in Europe when you're Brazil is ok, you're just bleeding talent and if one guy doesn't pan out there's 10 waiting behind. But in our case, and especially in the strikers department, it is a big risk to send our prospects in a foreign environment. See how Usami is struggling and he's supposed to be the best player we've ever produced. We can't afford too many misses hence the caution.

    Guy over whom everybody cry rivers, Miyaichi. It's an eternal circle of frustration. I'd rather be a bit skeptical at the get go than coming here and moaning every week because the sky is very cloudy.

    Scoring a goal with the U19 would be a good start
     
  20. Dax

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    Usami was a different matter, I admin that I expected him to be sent out on loan, a japanese 19yr breaking in at Bayern... heh.

    Also, I put my hands forward a little. You're saying that he's supposed to be that, but if by 30 he doesn't prove it, I can't accept that it would be because "he waster a year at Bayern". Actually, he could prove it right now at Hoffenheim (well, in those goals some glimpses were there for sure)

    It's clear that if Kinoshita was directly put in the first team right now we were going into trouble, that's for sure! But hopefully they're just integrating him in their youth system.


    But Miyaichi, so far he has struggled one season (also cause of injuries) but had 2 very good runs, hey, he still played as starter in the premier league at 19yr! ;)
    It's not like if he started in the J League and later Wenger picked him up he necessarily now would be a starter, right? Maybe he would've even learned less things, who knows. I'm not a fan of Premier League as environment I admit anyway (don't want to add even more text though lol).
     
  21. Saku²

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    oh man you're lucky I didn't think about the Japanese Thierry Henry, Sho Ito, a post before. That went well.
     
  22. Dax

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    4 years in the same club when you're not playing, sorry, but that's your fault for not asking at least a damn loan. And he can be Henry as much as he wanted but failing at Shimizu too means he was probably just not good enough
     
  23. Saku²

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    Failure might finds its roots in 4 years of stalled development. He's been injured as well, few opportunities to ask for loans. It's easy to talk like that in retrospect but that the time he was bigger than Kinoshita.
     
  24. AKITOD

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    I agree mostly with what saku's said. High high risk move for the boy and lowest risk for scf. Ibusuki is not a success when hes playing in a team comparable to a JFL side. It may work out but im not that optimistic yet.
     
  25. sc-f

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    High high risk move compared to what? The status quo?
    Lowest risk for a club? For a club, considering the club is not expecting an instant hit, I guess signing an unproven youth player on a pro-contract (from Japan) poses still a bigger risk than selecting 15 year old hopefuls for your youth academy.
     

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