2012-2013 Off-Season Player Movement Discussion

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by OleGunnar20, Nov 3, 2012.

  1. sitruc

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    That's what they get for not playing in the playoff series with DC. Lucky bastards.


  2. Westside Cosmo

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    How much is that CCL allocation money worth? I can't find a hard number on that.
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    Let me preface this by saying this is coming from a guy who knows a guy who ran into Don's barber at a pub, but I've heard it's something like 100K for group and 100K per knockout round.
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    Thanks. Seems about right since it was supposed to be for added depth or retaining players, not for buying a new star.


  5. ojsgillt

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    as we all know mls contract lengths are not always disclosed, but the standard is a 2 year wtih an additional 2 year option. this site http://www.spotrac.com/mls/ lists the info released by the players union about salaries. What makes it special is that when you click on a player it lists his previous years salaries as well. If you work back from their first contract or big price jump you can reasonably deduct how many years a player has left on their contract and when they signed a new one.

    It gets wishy washy when players are on their second contract or if they are past 30 or so, older players who are signed outside of the league, and not brought up through the system, seem to not always be bound by the 2+2 rules.

    For an example on the how to break down a player take a look at Kei Kamara. http://www.spotrac.com/mls/sporting-kansas-city/kei-kamara/

    His first 2 years he has for the most part the league minimum. His 2 option years see a small jump in his salary. Year 5 shows his new contract which is a 300% jump. We see now that in his the 4th and final year of his second contract for 2013 season.

    Hope it helps.
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    Columbus, Ohio. Where all Mexican dreams are crushed in defeat. Seems like a fitting place for that turd.
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    Grant Wahl stated that it was 50k for the Group and 100k for the knock out rounds.
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    wow. peanuts, considering the detrimental effect fitness and fatigue wise CCL seems to have on MLS teams participating in it
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    According to a couple tweets it seems like Wingert and Beltran were re-signed by RSL but the options on Steele, Reynish, Paulo Jr, and Bongfili were not exercised. That would put RSL down 8 players as of now if the reports are correct.
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    This years CCL participants.

    LA (MLS Cup winner)
    Houston (MLS Cup runner-up)
    Seattle (Conference final)
    RSL (Conference semi-final)

    If that is detrimental then sign me up.
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    You left out TFC, which apparently took on the burden for the entire CCL field.

    I think the new format helps--no CCL midweek games 3 weeks in a row.
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    In my defense, it is easy to forget that TFC existed at times this year.
  13. EvilTree

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    you win.

    though it seemed in past years the teams that play CCL gas out near the end of MLS regular season *shrug*
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    Nitpicking, but...my understanding was always 2 years with 2 additional 1 year club options. Has this changed in the new CBA?
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    You are correct. The goal of MLS is to sign one year club options on the back end of a contract. The "standard" is a bit of a misnomer as it could be a 3 + 1 or 2+2 as the most likely. As in all things negotiable; not every contract is that way.
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    Wow - if the 2013 salary of $500k is accurate, that's a huge jump in salary from the first two years of his contract (from $250 base/$267.5 guaranteed in 2011 and $275/$292.5 in 2012). Don't think I've ever heard of an MLS contract going up by that much, and I'm not sure I believe that so many teams would be interested in him at that high a price. It would take $100k in allocation to buy him down to the $400k max, and then still a $400k hit to the salary cap.
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    Yeah, I have to believe NY is going to have to eat a BIG chunk of that number if they expect to move Cooper.
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    the 500K number might not be just salary but also the allocation money it would cost to keep him ... supposedly the Portland trade included a draft pick if Cooper only stayed this season and a chunk of allocation if they kept him for 2013.
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    That makes more sense than Cooper being paid $500k, although it's a strange way for Portland to have structured the Cooper trade. So if Cooper stays in MLS but is not with New York in 2013, then does New York get out of giving Portland the allocation $$? If so, then Portland was kind of dumb to write the deal that way, they had to know that New York could just trade Cooper to avoid having to send the allocation $$ their way.
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    Nitpick, you actually have to buy it down to the DP hit of $335K(?) under the new CBA. The Rapids have been using allocation money to buy Casey down from $400K to the max level for the last few years.

    As somebody int he Rapids forum pointed out, Boyd, Cooper, and Casey are all unwanted by their current teams. Bad year to be a MLS target striker.
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    Funny you should say that. I was in a conversation the other day where we surmised the same thing. The day of bigger target forwards as the primary attacking weapon seems to be on the decline. I would hazzard a guess it has a lot to do with an influx of both big and very athletic CBs in the league. The Caseys, Boyds, and even Cooper to a certain degree I think are finding less success than in previous years.
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    If Cooper actually played like a target striker, he'd probably be wanted.
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  24. OleGunnar20

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    you have to remember that they wanted to get rid of him, so getting at least a pick and at most some allocation cash was i guess the best they could do in unloading him ... and you'd think that if KC did well a team would keep him ... like score 18 goals ... so the trade had upside ... Portland couldn't have foreseen TH14's distaste for KC so that his remaining in RBNY is unlikely no matter how good he was.
  25. OleGunnar20

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    http://www.portlandtimbers.com/news...s-bryan-gallego-new-york-exchange-defender-ko

    a. i hope the allocation for Kimura wasn't more than a buck fifty.

    b. i really don't get this HG rights trading thing, or the trading a HG player and him still being a HG player for the new team (like with Bowen and Agudelo). either you developed the guy or you didn't. if you did you get a reward (HG status) and if you didn't the player should just be treated as any other young player.

    c. Caleb obviously wants Gallego and i guess RBNY do not ... ?

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