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2012 Herman Watch List

Discussion in 'College & Amateur Soccer' started by thetank123, Aug 13, 2012.

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  1. thetank123

    thetank123 Member

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    Would love to hear your responses before I weigh in on why this might be the single most ridiculous list ever created in the history of sports.
     


  2. PlayForKeeps

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    So what they are saying is that Iona (4) has more National Player of the Year candidates than the entire Big Ten (2) or Akron (1), or the two combined... Simply amazing.
     
  3. Sandon Mibut

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    Iona also has more than ALL THE IN COLLEGES IN CALIFORNIA! (Plus Oregon, Washington, Nevada and Colorado.)

    Those states combined for ONE player. Iona? A program that didn't make the NCAA Tournament last year. They get FOUR. Not Akron, not Maryland, not UCLA, not Indiana, not North Carolina, not SMU, not California, not Virginia. IONA. Iona?

    This list is even more ridiculous than usual and it's usually pretty far-fetched. At least this year they didn't put any pros on the list.

    You guys know I usually down play the whole vast East Coast bias theory from our friends in Pacific time, but holy molee do they have a legit beef this time.
     
  4. Sandon Mibut

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    OK, I have to go pick up my kids at camp and take them to soccer.

    While I'm gone I want you people to look up when the last time Iona made the NCAA Tournament was.
     


  5. thetank123

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    Exactly Sandon. Just absolutely absurd. The whole list is ridiculous but the Iona thing just blows my mind. The top 25 (as voted on by NSCAA) is represented by fifteen players. That means that, according to the NSCAA (which created both lists), 27 of the top 42 players in the country play for teams that are not good enough to be ranked. What makes it even more outlandish is that we KNOW that the traditional top 10-15 teams get most of the top youth players, this isn't like college basketball or college football where the talent is more spread out.
     
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  6. bisbee

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    I Absolutely knew you would weigh in on this:ROFLMAO: This list is truly unbelievable
     
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  8. PlayForKeeps

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    You may be right, but there is no way you can defend this list. Even if your argument is logical, this list has no logic to it whatsoever.
     
  9. Hararea

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    Yeah. Not trying to defend the list.
     
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  10. thetank123

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    Since I was bored at work I looked back at the players who were tops in the country in PPM last year. With a couple differences, the list was basically the top X amount of players - whoever graduated or left early. It's sad that the people who put together this list decided to rely on statistics in a sport where statistics don't even come close to telling the whole story.
     
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  12. Sandon Mibut

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    After looking at the returning first team all region players and comparing that with the watch list, I believe you are correct. (Nice catch, btw.)

    So if that's the formula they decided to use, why not just come out and say it?

    Granted, I think it's a flawed formula for many obvious reasons, but at least it provides an explanation for things like one obscure program having four players on the list and the largest state in the country (by population) providing only one.
     
  13. PlayForKeeps

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    Can someone (Sandon) make a true National Players to Watch List... someone who has a good feel for all of the players/programs across D1 college soccer?
     
  14. scoachd1

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    There is no bias theory - it is the reality of a poorly constructed methodology for selecting the most deserving teams in terms of performance for NCAA playoff seeding and at large births. This is an even more extreme example of what happens if the selection system doesn't account for the vast differences in quality of each conference.
     
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  16. Sandon Mibut

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    Iona and their quartet of player of the year candidates are off to a 1-3 start with one goal scored.

    Well-played, NSCAA and the Hermann Committee, well-played indeed!
     
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  17. Sandon Mibut

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    For the record, yes, I AM going to beat this to death like the deadest of horses!

    Mighty Iona lost a pair of games this weekend 2-0 scores to Northwestern and Northern Illinois to fall to 1-6-0.

    After beating Adelphi 1-0 in the season opener, the Gaels have dropped 6 straight and been outscored 1-12.

    Yeah, nothing says FOUR player of the year candidates like 2 goals and one win in 7 games!
     
  18. Sandon Mibut

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    Fair is fair.

    I've mocked Iona for their four Hermann Award candidates and the terrible start that has followed that nomination but today they made a bit of a statement for which they deserve credit.

    Iona beat Monmouth, ranked 25 by the NCAA, today by a score of 3-1. The Gaels improved to 2-6-0. Monmouth is 5-2-1.
     
  19. Sandon Mibut

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    With the regular season over for all teams, with the exception of the Ivy, Pac-12 and WCC, I thought now would be a good time to see how the players on the Hermann Watch List did and if they had a performance this season that was worthy of their inclusion on the list.

    Here are the 2012 stats of all the players on the list and one man's opinion on whether or not they lived up to the watch list inclusion.

    Sammy Adjei Jr. F Iona Newark, N.J.
    16 games, 4 goals, 1 assist for a 7-9-0 team playing in the MAAC
    Watch list worthy: No.

    Carlos Alvarez Sr. M Connecticut Los Angeles
    17 games, 7 goals, 8 assists for 15-2-1 team playing in the Big East
    Watch list worthy: Yes

    Borja Barbero So. GK Iona Valladolid, Spain16 games, 2.05 GAA, .667 save percentage, 66 saves for a 7-9-0 team playing in the MAAC
    Watch list worthy: No

    Will Bates Sr. F Virginia Chester, Va.
    16 games, 11 goals, 1 assist for 9-6-2 team playing in the ACC
    Watch list worthy: Yes

    Nathaniel Bekoe Jr. M Fordham Accra, Ghana
    16 games, 0 goals, 3 assists for 6-7-4 team playing in the Atlantic 10
    Watch list worthy: No

    Ashton Bennett* Sr. F Coastal Carolina Claredon, Jamaica19 games, 13 goals, 6 assists for 16-1-2 team playing in the Big South
    Watch list worthy: Yes

    Andre Blake So. GK Connecticut May Pen, Jamaica18 games, 0.50 GAA, .850 save percentage, 51 saves for a 15-2-1 team playing in the Big East
    Watch list worthy: Yes

    Brendan Burgdorf Sr. F Bucknell Westfield, N.J.
    19 games, 3 goals, 5 assists for 7-7-5 team playing in the Patriot League
    Watch list worthy: No

    Scott Caldwell Sr. M Akron Braintree, Mass.18 games, 9 goals, 6 assists for 15-1-2 team playing in the MAC
    Watch list worthy: Yes

    Franklin Castellanos Jr. M Iona Dover, N.J.
    16 games, 2 goals, 6 assists, for 7-9-0 team playing in the MAAC
    Watch list worthy: No

    Marvcello Castro Sr. D Sacred Heart Parana, Brazil
    15 games, 9 goals, 2 assists, 1.12 team GAA for 9-8-0 team playing in the Northeast Conference
    Watch list worthy: Yes

    Marc Cintron Sr. M Providence Piscataway, N.J.
    12 games, 1 goal, 1 assist for 4-10-2 team playing in the Big East
    Watch list worthy: No

    Ryan Clark Sr. M Monmouth Freehold, N.J.
    18 games, 3 goals, 6 assists for 11-4-3 team playing in the Northeast Conference
    Watch list worthy: No

    Liam Collins Jr. M Memphis Skibbereen, Ireland
    17 games, 2 goals, 7 assists for 8-6-3 team playing in CUSA
    Watch list worthy: No

    Leonardo Fernandes Sr. M Stony Brook North Babylon, N.Y.
    17 games, 9 goals, 7 assists for 11-5-1 team playing in America East
    Watch list worthy: Yes

    Shaun Foster Jr. D Hofstra Southport, England
    18 games, 2 goals, 1 assist, 1.13 team GAA for 11-5-2 team playing in the CAA
    Watch list worthy: No

    Victor Francoz Sr. GK Old Dominion Fleurieu Sur Saone, France
    16 games, 0.92 GAA, .797 save percentage, 59 saves for 11-3-2 team playing in the CAA
    Watch list worthy: No

    Tyler Gibson Jr. M Charlotte Knoxville, Tenn.18 games, 3 goals, 5 assists, for 13-2-3 team playing in the Atlantic 10
    Watch list worthy: No

    Simon Gomez Jr. F Duquesne Manizales, Colombia13 games, 1 goal, 6 assists for 7-11-1 team playing in the Atlantic 10
    Watch list worthy: No

    Nick Hagglund Jr. D Xavier Cincinnati
    18 games, 2 goals, 4 assists, 0.90 team GAA for 13-1-4 team playing in the Atlantic 10
    Watch list worthy: No

    Chris Hegngi Sr. F Ohio State Silver Spring, Md.18 games, 3 goals, 3 assists for 6-9-3 team playing in the Big Ten
    Watch list worthy: No

    Coleton Henning Sr. M Furman Shawnee, Kan.
    17 games, 8 goals, 1 assist for 12-4-3 team playing in the Southern
    Watch list worthy: No

    Taylor Kemp Sr. D Maryland Highlands Ranch, Colo.
    8 games, 0 goals, 5 assists, 0.91 team GAA for 14-1-2 team playing in the ACC
    Watch list worthy: No

    Jonathan Mendoza Sr. M Stetson Altamonte Springs, Fla.
    14 games, 1 goal, 3 assists for 3-10-2 team playing in the Atlantic Sun
    Watch list worthy: No

    Steve Neumann Jr. F Georgetown New Hope, Pa.
    19 games, 6 goals, 10 assists for 16-2-1 team playing in the Big East
    Watch list worthy: Yes

    Oscar Otto Sr. F Iona Willingshore, N.J.
    16 games, 7 goals, 4 assists, for 7-9-0 team playing in the MAAC
    Watch list worthy: No

    James Price Sr. D Saint Francis (Pa.) Christchurch, New Zealand
    17 games, 1 goal, 0 assists, 0.78 team GAA for 6-7-5 team playing in the Northeast Conference
    Watch list worthy: No

    Jonny Raj Sr. D Fairfield Auckland, New Zealand
    14 games, 0 goals, 1 assist, 1.09 team GAA for 6-8-1 team playing in the MAAC
    Watch list worthy: No

    Pedro Ribeiro Jr. M Coastal Carolina Belo Horizonte, Brazil
    15 games, 2 goals, 8 assists for 16-1-2 team playing in the Big South
    Watch list worthy: Yes

    Devon Sandoval Sr. F New Mexico Albuquerque, N.M.18 games, 14 goals, 6 assists for 15-3-0 team playing in the MPSF
    Watch list worthy: Yes

    Eric Schoenle Sr. D West Virginia Yardley, Pa.16 games, 6 goals, 0 assists, 0.85 team GAA for 9-5-2 team playing in the MAC
    Watch list worthy: Yes

    Mark Sherrod* Jr. F Memphis Knoxville, Tenn.17 games, 12 goals, 4 assists for 8-6-3 team playing in CUSA
    Watch list worthy: Yes

    Patrick Slogic Jr. D Cornell Colorado Springs, Colo.
    15 games, 2 goals, 1 assist, 0.79 team GAA for 14-1-0 team playing in the Ivy League
    Watch list worthy: No

    Yannick Smith* Sr. F Old Dominion Hillsborough, N.J.
    14 games, 3 goals, 5 assists for 11-3-2 team playing in the CAA
    Watch list worthy: No

    John Stertzer Sr. M Maryland Oakton, Va.
    16 games, 6 goals, 6 assists for 14-1-2 team playing in the ACC
    Watch list worthy: Yes

    Kyle Venter Sr. D New Mexico Aurora, Colo.
    18 games, 1 goal, 1 assist, 0.65 team GAA for 15-3-0 team playing in the MPSF
    Watch list worthy: Yes

    Lee Williams Sr. D Appalachian State Liverpool, England
    18 games, 0 goals, 0 assists, 0.96 team GAA for an 8-7-3 team playing in the Southern
    Watch list worthy: No

    Reece Wilson Sr. F Central Connecticut London, England
    18 games, 9 goals, 6 assists for 8-8-2 team playing in the Northeast
    Watch list worthy: No

    Paul Wyatt Sr. M James Madison Modbury, England
    17 games, 7 goals, 2 assists for 8-6-3 team playing in the Colonial
    Watch list worthy: No

    Gyasi Zardes* Jr. F CSU Bakersfield Hawthorne, Calif.
    16 games, 14 goals, 9 assists for 9-4-5 team playing in the MPSF
    Watch list worthy: Yes

    Eriq Zaveleta So. F Indiana Westfield, Ind.
    18 games, 16 goals, 2 assists for 11-4-3 team playing in the Big Ten
    Watch list worthy: Yes

    Walker Zimmerman So. D Furman Lawrencevlle, Ga
    17 games, 6 goals, 3 assists, 1.05 team GAA for 12-4-3 team playing in the Southern
    Watch list worthy: Yes
     
  20. jdgaucho

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    what, not even an honorary mention of UCSB's Peter McGlynn? C'mon now! :rolleyes:
     
  21. kingsuperbee

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    Sandon. Respect your opinion more then most. Best players I seen this year in the mid Atlantic region were stertzer. Maryland Neumann. Georgetown , Bates UVA. And would add Caringi UMbC 14 goals 6 asst. what do you think.
     
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    Tell me a bit about Devon Sandoval. Pure center forward target type?
     
  23. Sandon Mibut

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    So, here are the 15 semi-finalists. All of 5 of them were on the preseason Watch List.

    Carlos Alvarez - Connecticut
    Don Andling - Northeastern
    Ashton Bennett - Coastal Carolina
    Scott Caldwell - Akron
    Mamadou Diouff - Connecticut
    Andrew Farrell - Louisville
    Ryan Finley - Notre Dame
    Jose Gomez - Creighton
    Daniel Haber - Cornell
    Robbie Kristo - Saint Louis
    Patrick Mullins - Maryland
    Steve Neumann - Georgetown
    Devon Sandoval - New Mexico
    Dillon Powers - Notre Dame
    Chris Thomas - Elon
     
  24. Libric

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    What happened to the fantastic four from Iona?
     
  25. No shinguards

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    I was wondering if this group of 5 had "performed to the level of expectation".....
     
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