2013 Superdraft

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  1. RapidStorm

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    First example that pops into mind is Wondolowski. While he did play a couple games in his first year, he had a total of 5 minutes of playing time that season. His second year, he spread 198 total minutes across 6 games.

    So by the definition of "played games," he does fit the bill COMtnGuy and The Daily Wiz defined. But given how little he played and how little he did his first 6 years in the league, I think most people would've lumped him in the "wash out" category for all intents and purposes.

    Otherwise...the best example I have is Jordan Harvey, who didn't play a minute for the Rapids till '08, despite being drafted by us in '06. I wouldn't say there's many like him (I don't have the energy or resources to check all other players, either), but I would say it makes a case for a measure of patience.


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    Since 6 years are looked at and standard draftee contract is 4 years (from numerous sources) I think it's a fair review. I would expect that top 5 draftees should always have an immediate impact on team, because A) they are bad or "New" teams to get into this range, and B) These bottom five teams get to pick the creme of the draft.

    There will always be "late bloomers" or guys buried at their position on depth chart do to talent of top 18. That does not nullify this at all for me.

    I am a bit surprised at the drop between 1-10 and 11-20 slots and 21-30 & 31-38 slots show no difference really of what should be expected from these slots.
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    GA update per Ives, max will be 7 if Brown and Zavaleta sign:

    Signed GA deals:
    Mikey Lopez
    Andrew Farrell
    Walker Zimmerman
    J.J. Johnson
    Kekuta Manneh

    Offered GA deal not signed:
    DeShorn Brown
    Eriq Zavaleta (Expected to be CB in MLS)
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    This was up before ;) , but like you said completely silly to draft another D-mid given formation and depth we have.

    Get Lopez in the right situation and he’ll flourish. This is what would happen if he ends up with Oscar Pareja and the Rapids, as the holding midfielder still needs time to transition to the next level but is likely to develop into a top-level player under Pareja in Colorado.
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    The quoted part is pretty optimistic.

    Priority one is getting Pareja to develop into the kind of coach that can develop a guy into a top-level player. Until some evidence presents itself that he can do that, such predictions seem over the top.
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    Interesting part of it, is he a forward or CB?

    Wenger (2012) player at Forward last year right?

    From story:
    "Zavaleta, 20, helped lead Indiana to the 2012 NCAA title, scoring 18 goals during his sophomore season. A centerback who moves to forward before the 2012 season, Zavaleta projects as a central defender on the pro level and projects as a Top 10 pick in the 2013 MLS Draft."
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    pair him with drew and you got an IU backline haha
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    Another mock, I think we will end up with a winger, just not familiar with any of these guys.


    6. Colorado Rapids – *Deshorn Brown (Forward, Central Florida)

    If Johnson isn’t here, then Brown seems like a good fit as well. Texas-based youth striker Ketuha Manneh is another possibility as well given his age and lack of cap hit. Given the recent signing of a defender and some of the other moves that the Rapids have made, adding some depth up front to go along with Edson Buddle work for me. Brown gives them speed on the outside and also provides that potential punch off the bench that is key in a 4-3-3 set up.

    Other possibilities: Ketuha Manneh*, Erik Hurtado
    http://wvhooligan.com/2013/01/07/15299/2013-mls-superdraft-mock-draft-2-0/
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    Well, one more thing to chew over in the current post-season ennui:

    http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2013/01/08/central-winger-draft-remains-undervalued-tool-mls

    Interesting that of the teams that had the highest percentage of minutes played by players that entered the league through the draft, SKC, Chicago, Colorado, Houston, and LAG, only the Rapids had a losing record.
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    Correlation to me is drafted players are cheaper, but only if they have ability to make the 18, allowing more money to be spent on remaining slots. If they become starters that is even more of an advantage.
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    i think cb and winger are whats most needed.
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    #2 Kemp is from Denver, but as has pointed out, outside backs have terrible draft history. More college drafted Middies have made it as outside backs then guys who soley played position in college.

    Combine starts tomorrow so we will find out more about ability shortly.
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    Final list of 7 GA's for 2013 Superdraft

    Signed GA deals:
    Mikey Lopez
    Andrew Farrell
    Walker Zimmerman
    J.J. Johnson
    Kekuta Manneh
    DeShorn Brown
    Eriq Zavaleta
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    For the Rapids, adding Dillon Powers not a GA player to the mix, I would prioritize them thusly:

    Andrew Farrell
    Walker Zimmerman
    Eriq Zavaleta
    J.J. Johnson
    Dillon Powers
    Kekuta Manneh
    DeShorn Brown
    Mikey Lopez

    Certainly, 1 or more of these boys will be available to the Rapids. Moreover, I think this is a talent rich group, therefore, I would be hesitant about trading with TFC to move up.

    Now, I am very anxious for the Combine matches to begin. My hopes are much higher than they have been in years. I even believe that the Rapids may find a gem at 25 or 30.
  20. Big Chil in Denver

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    Ives' Top 10 are:

    Andrew Farrell CB
    Walker Zimmerman CB
    Mikey Lopez M
    J. Johnson F
    Eriq Zavaleta F/D
    Deshorn Brown F
    Dillon Powers CM
    Carlos Alvarez CM
    Erik Hurtado RW/F
    Ryan Finley F

    A draft analysis:

    1. TFC -- Andrew Farrell -- whether or not TFC keeps this pick, Farrell is projected to be #1
    2. CHV -- Carlos Alvarez -- I read that his father played for Chivas Guadalajara, and with Chivas' looking to brand themselves for the Mexican market in L.A. this could be their pick.
    3. TFC -- J. Johnson -- his stock seems to be rising as the best forward in the draft.
    4. NER -- Walker Zimmerman -- NE needs back line help.
    5. VAN -- This is the spot that hurts us, depending on who they pick.
    6. COL -- We should have a shot at Zavaleta or Brown, the next two highest rated forwards at this pick, and either should be a strong pick with upside.

    We shouldn't be interested in Lopez or Powers, we have too many CM's.
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    Those 6 points from winning the last 2 meaningless games are sure costing us.
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    And now mlssoccer.com has its mock draft up! It's three mocks in one!

    http://www.mlssoccer.com/superdraft...occercoms-2013-mock-draft-pre-combine-edition

    Three different editors have the Rapids selecting J. Johnson, Deshorn Brown, and Eriq Zavaleta.

    I'm totally happy with those possibilities, with Johnson being my #1 choice at that slot after Farrell and Zimmerman leave the board. Oddly enough, only 1 editor has Johnson going in the top 5.
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    What's the deal with Zaveta. He's mentioned as a forward then says he'd move back to CB.
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    Bigchil above gave a link:
    "Ives' Big Board 4.0 is out:
    http://www.soccerbyives.net/2013/01/sbi-2013-mls-draft-big-board-version-4-0.html "

    Ives' description of Zavaleta seems to answer your question:
    "One of the more intriguing prospects in the draft. Originally a highly-regarded central defender, Zavaleta moved to forward as a sophomore at Indiana and promptly turned into a goal-scoring force who helped lead the Hoosiers to a national title. Despite his goal-scoring ways, more teams see him as a long-term centerback option. He is only 19, and at an athletic 6-foot-1, Zavaleta is an aerial force who will be a good bet to be a Top Ten selection."

    And the whole Ives list is an interesting read. I have not seen many mock drafts yet but the MLS one is a bit intriguing. Given the Rapids need to replace Omar's speed, both Hardbottle ("already" aquired) and Deshon Brown (listed on Ives as #6) could be a good pair of answers to that. I do find the Manneh kid to be very intriguing too, as Marx has explained more than once.

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