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Discussion in 'Mexico National Team' started by Rojinegro1, Feb 10, 2013.

  1. Rojinegro1

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    The only explanation I can come up with is that he got a lot of "pressure" from the FMF to play Cuau etc. He's obviously a top coach but jesus 2010 was a disaster.
     


  2. Phenom

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    Carrillo.
     
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  3. Hecho en Chivas

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    i think he had a lot to do with it as well
     
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  4. elvasco

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    Nah it was all Aguirre, if Mario had any power Memo would had been the starter, and Gringo Castro would had gone to South Africa instead of Paul Aguilar. Maybe even Jona instead of Bofo:rolleyes:.

    Having said that Vasco Aguirre for Mexico.
    #yeahIwentthere
     


  5. Baysic

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    lol bro you must have missed where he would profess his love to bofo on picante every chance he got.

    He even pretty much insinuated that Aguirre didn't know anyone in the league after being gone so long so he asked him to suggest good players.

    INB4 all the pumas kids slander him.....brahs your squad was basura before and after him.
     
  6. CyberAce100

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    What also bothered me is how emo he looked before some games, especially leading up to the Argentina game in his press conferences. The leader of the team looked scared and depressed. The Spanish league is his home, and where he feels comfortable.
     
  7. nicamex1935

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    Another thing that was uncharacteristic of him.

    He was trying to project a calm, poker face kind of confidence. It came off as just odd instead.

    I think Aguirre got caught up in himself. Arrogance. Attempting to prove his critics wrong with decisions that were seemingly boneheaded to us, (the shortsighted fickle fans and the media), but moves that would prove to be ingenious if they somehow worked out.

    Couple that with him being out of Mexico for years. You still can't really pinpoint it though. Like I said, I don't really know what was going on in his mind.

    If that was the case though, I just hope Chepo doesn't fall into the same trap. And he very well could, knowing his style.

    Anyway, I'm derailing.
     
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  8. ...In my defense

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    lol @ 2010 being a disaster

    it was the same as 94, 98, 02 and 06

    Se mueren de nada estos cuates
     
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  9. Solid444

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    The decision to start Bofo in the quarterfinals against Argentina, is the dumbest decision in a big game situation.
     
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  10. Hdez.Marcos

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    We can also add:

    Putting Lara on the defense against Germany.

    and

    Playing Luis Hernandez against the US.

    So it's not all bad.
     
  11. nicamex1935

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    2010 is the most bizarre by far.

    1) Starting Conejo.

    2) Stubbornly sticking with Guille as the starter throughout the entire group stage.

    3) Pairing Guille up with an old Blanco, inexplicably starting him vs the Urus.

    4) Subbing Guardado out after the first half vs Uruguay, after being the best player on the pitch for us that half. Look back at that game thread. The reactions are hilarious. Vasco just kept bringing the stupid.

    5) And finally, starting Bofo Bautista versus our toughest opponent, a fringe player who should have arguably never been on the roster in the first place, in place of Jona.

    1 and 5 were the strangest.

    The most important mistakes though fell in that third game. Those potentially cost us the most.
     
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    As odd as much of that is, was it really Bofo's fault we lost that game?

    Nah

    Did Conejo cost us any games?

    Nope
     
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  13. Rafael Hernandez

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    No it's not. Taking out Ramon Morales for Luis Hernandez in 2002 was.
     
  14. nicamex1935

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    The other moves I mentioned screwed us against Uruguay, a crucial game.

    Starting Osorio over Moreno vs Argentina proved to be pretty damn costly, no? Moreso than Bofo.

    Take away all hindsight bias though, starting Bofo and Conejo were easily the most ill advised and shocking decisions.
     
  15. ...In my defense

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    You're not really away taking the hindsight bias though.

    Moreno was shaky as hell when he played and Osorio had already been tried as a CB and was one of the most experienced players on the squad. Just because he shat the bed and gifted Argentina a goal doesn't mean the criticism is warranted AFTER the gamer.

    Bofo only went to the WC because there were injuries right before the WC camp.

    Jona didn't deserve to go to the WC. I don't know what you're thinking.

    Guardado lost his spot to Juarez. This has been known for years and has been discussed to no end.

    Conejo didn't give up any goals any other GK we had would not have given up.

    We played with what we had.

    Como les dije, se mueren de nada a veces
     
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  16. Rafael Hernandez

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    Bofo starting was terrible but starting Cuau and Guille against Uruguay was the worst decision of all. I don't think Conejo playing was anywhere near those although it was a horrible screwjob to the other keepers.
     
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    "But I distinguished between a "costly" move and one that was "ill advised."

    I'll reiterate.

    In hindsight, starting Osorio over Moreno proved to be a more game changing decision than the Bofo one. Take out the hindsight bias, and it is clear starting Bofo was infinitely more of a head scratcher. Starting Osorio can at least be defended or justified without being a total apologist for Vasco without hindsight. You can't defend that Bofo decision without unsound logic.
    I specifically said this was arguable. If you don't think it is, just take a look at any discussion that took place on it. There was clearly debate, and all I said was that it was debatable.


    Point wherever I said that I don't agree that Guardado didn't lose his place to Efrain.

    I clearly stated that the decision to sub him out after the first half of the Uruguay game was what was idiotic. He was our biggest threat that half. Bringing Efrain into this specific context is moot. He was suspended for that game due to accumulation of yellows.

    With respect to Conejo, again, where did I say he did?

    His move, like the Bofo one, was dumb when you don't factor in hindsight.

    You misunderstood everything I posted.

    And obviously, we didn't play with what we have at all times during this world cup. That makes no sense.
     
  18. ceezmad

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    The bed was made with the loss to Uruguay, if Mexico wins that game not only do they avoid playing Argentina but they are set in the easy side of the bracket to the semifinals.
     
  19. NachoNation

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    The game that apparently Cuah and Guille were shit in. So he goes with Bofo in the next one and that's called idiotic as well. There wasn't really any other 10 for us to call.
     
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  20. nicamex1935

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    Bofo's was more shocking. He hadn't played a single minute during the cup, not even as a sub, and you stick him in as a starter vs our most difficult opponent in a knockout match?

    At least Blanco and Guille had significant minutes leading up to the Uruguay game, both in the world cup and in the friendlies leading up to it.

    They were both stupid decisions, regardless. If we disagree on which one was worse, then fine. The main point is, el Vasco made bad after bad decisions.

    Subbing out Guardado was just as bad too in that game.
     
  21. nicamex1935

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    Aguirre could have made a simple adjustment that would have made infinitely more sense than starting a fringe roster player who had no continuity, rhythm, or previous chemistry with the squad.

    He could have started Barrera.

    In fact, that's what he did after one half of play, was sub out Bofo for Barrera.

    Bofo was a useless body out there. No movement whatsoever.

    No justifications for starting Bofo that game.

    NONE.

    At least, nothing logically sound.
     
  22. Josesito

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    I thought he subbed out Guardado for Barrera?
     
  23. NachoNation

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    There were plenty of baffling moves but in the end we performed as well as have in the previous 4 world cups. Or as you guys would say, we performed as horribly as we did in the previous 4 world cups.

    That's pretty much what this boils down to. Some of you make out as if we went three and out and didn't score any goals. In the end we performed like we always have and I'm not going to get overly worked up about scenarios that hypothetically would have meant us lifting the trophy because we don't know shit.
     
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  24. nicamex1935

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    Nope. He took out Bofo and subbed in Pablito at the half.

    Around 15 minutes later, he took out Guardado and put in Guille. (another questionable move, though admittedly not unjustifiable)
     
  25. Josesito

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    I would say I should rewatch but I dont wanna put myself threw that again lol
     
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