Amistoso, 3/5/14: Brasil x África do Sul, em Joanesburgo (em homenagem ao nosso amigo "Tim") [R]

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  1. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator Staff Member

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    He's living off his Libertadores goals from last year and his poached goals in the CC.


  2. Kaka10725

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    I think Felipao is dead set on Fred and Jo as his strikers.
  3. celito

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    I feel like this is the one really big mistake he is making.
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  5. Mengão86

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    What would be your choice? Don't even say Kardec... :p
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    I don't care. But he should at least try someone else. Maybe he ends up with Jo anyways. Might be a bit late. I guess it's just wishful thinking.
  7. Mengão86

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    I wonder if Robinho figures into his mind at all. He dint have a chance to be called because he was hurt. If he wasn't, it would have been interesting to see what Felipão would do (although I still feel Jo would have been called).
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    If someone had told me in 2010 we'd be going into 2014 with Fred and Jo, I'd start laughing and call them crazy !

    Looks like we should all become olheiros. As a bonus I hear there are clubs in Europe paying 10m for those services ;)
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    Who were the options then, though? Pato? We knew Luis Fabiano wouldn't last much longer.
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    Pato definitely. Had all the skills necessary to fit this team IMO. Then later Damiao was looking good ... at least at Inter. But you'd think someone else might have emerged in the last 4 years.
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    As discussed before, there is no other forward with Jo's specific skillset, which is a large body that can fight to hold up the ball and link up with the other attackers. What makes him get an automatic spot is that has shown and proved he can put the ball in the net. To me, I don't care if its opportunistic goals. He gets it done, unlike many other names that had more opportunities than Jo. People get obsessed with having a striker with the technical ability of someone like Pato, but if he doesn't have the rest of the game (desire, positional intelligence, reading the game, etc), that tech ability goes to waste. I don't get why people approve of Fred, but not Jo. As imo they both are poaching forwards. Fred has a little more tech ability than Jo, but nothing has changed since the Copa America 2011, where Fred was the butt of every joke when he got called and played. He is still the same type of player.

    And again, Jo brings another dimension to the game being a target man. With the type of attacking players Brasil has on the field, I fully believe Jo's style fits well. And of course the situation is what it is. It's not like Brasil has a Fenomeno ou an in-form Fabuloso to throw out there. You have to chose what you have available.
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    Idk If i'd even consider Jo a good poacher and it's not his technical skills that are the problem for me, he just doesn't pounce on chances. He is always getting beat in the air and on 50/50 balls to even say he is in the same stratosphere as fred is a little overboard. Then look at Jo at Inter no one wants to talk about that, he was garbage along with being a cancer in the lockeroom. He had 3 good months last year and was garbage the rest of the year. He is just there because he used to play in Europe.
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    And I think we are overrating the libertadores a little bit fellas.. The Argentinian league isn't what it used to be and a team who couldn't pay wages for 6 to 7 months made it to the finals.. Look at those Olimpia players in brazil that were the standouts of that squad what are they Serie b players? Bench players on a Serie A team? I think Judging Jo in the Brasileirao is a more accurate evaluation for the Selecao. look at Flamengo there 4th and 5th string cbs are starting for Chile and Ecuador.. eventually we need to look at the quality of the libertadores and admit there is a huge gap compared to what we see in Brazil week to week.
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    Fred was the butt of all jokes and I think a lot of people have come to accepted him since then, I know I have but I remember a lot of the arguments about Fred was that he wasn't getting proper service and at that time wasn't a proper fit for the squad.
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    Well I thought we was supposed to see some `new´ names like Hernane or Walter, though he may have a fat chance of making the team(all jokes aside) at least with 19 players Scolari will get a chance of playing most of team(pending that 6-7 subs will be used)
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    There was never really a high chance we would. All of that was speculation from pundits or fans and a lot of it relied on Fred being injured - but the call-up of players in Brazil was delayed until this week precisely to give Fred time to recover.

    Fernandinho and Rafinha is it for new names and I think that's ok this late in the process.
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    I would still like to go for a specialist CF than a poacher type CF. After all its a wc. I hope damiao does well in whatever opportunity he gets and breaks into the squad before the wc. In crunch games ( in games where you are traling ) you need somebody who can score from anywhere in the box / any tight angle / dribble and gets the work done instead of players who scores only when fed with some brilliant pass or simple tap ins.

    Th rest of the squad should be ideally filled up with Diego Alves ( GK ) , damiao.
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    Fred, Jo, Neymar, Hulk, Bernard a far from shabby offence - if they all play like the Devil.
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    Damiao is more poacher than specialist. Pato is probably the only one in our pool of CF that can potentially do what your asking.
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    Why did Nilmar go to Qatar of all places?He should have stayed in Europe or gone back to Brazil.I believe he could have had an outside chance of making to the squad in place of Jo.
    Is there any Shakthar Brazilians who is good enough to play as a number 9?Most of 'em are wingers I guess.
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    Yes!! He should be given a chance, but I think he will get it in August when we get our new coach..
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    Really? Then why is everybody shouting for damiao.......If he's a poacher type player then whats the diff between fred and damiao? You wanna say Fred = Damiao ?
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    Because there is doubt over Fred health and if there is no Fred than it's Jo who nobody seems to trust. Also, Scolari system is more suited to a target type striker.

    Damiao is your classic target man. Can hold up play, good in air, strong. Fred > Damiao IMO, better finishing and better link up play. Both are poacher type strikers, excel around the PK box and they are reliant on service to score.

    The striker your looking for is Pato and mind you he has lost his spot to Fred, Jo and Damiao in the last 4 years which speaks for itself.
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    Chelsea Brazilians are playing against Filepe Melo today.Hope there won't be serious injury to anyone!!
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