Ballon D'Or 2012 (part 2)

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by comme, Oct 29, 2012.

  1. comme

    comme Moderator Staff Member

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    Nominations are now out for the Ballon D'Or

    http://www.francefootball.fr/#!/news/2012/10/29/150113_les-23-nomines-au-ballon-d-or.html

    Sergio Agüero (ARG/Manchester City)
    Mario Balotelli (ITA/Manchester City)
    Karim Benzema (FRA/Real Madrid)
    Gianluigi Buffon (ITA/Juventus Turin)
    Sergio Busquets (ESP/FC Barcelone)
    Iker Casillas (ESP/Real Madrid)
    Didier Drogba (CIV/Chelsea, puis Shanghai Shenhua)
    Radamel Falcao (COL/Atletico Madrid)
    Zlatan Ibrahimovic (SUE/Milan AC, puis Paris-SG)
    Andrés Iniesta (ESP/FC Barcelone)
    Lionel Messi (AR/ FC Barcelone)
    Manuel Neuer (ALL/Bayern Munich)
    Neymar (BRE/Santos)
    Mesut Özil (ALL/Real Madrid)
    Gerard Piqué (ESP/FC Barcelone)
    Andrea Pirlo (ITA/Juventus Turin)
    Sergio Ramos (ESP/Real Madrid)
    Cristiano Ronaldo (POR/Real Madrid)
    Wayne Rooney (ANG/Manchester United)
    Yaya Touré (CIV/Manchester City)
    Robin van Persie (HOL/Arsenal, puis Manchester United)
    Xabi Alonso (ESP/Real Madrid)
    Xavi Hernandez (ESP/FC Barcelone)
    Viscaelbarca repped this.


  2. Pipiolo

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    Messi
    Pirlo
    Iniesta
    Ronaldo
    Aguero
  3. unclesox

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    ^^^
    I believe a shortlist of 3 will be announced in early December and they will attend the FIFA Gala in January.
    I'll continue with my prediction of Messi, C.Ronaldo and Casillas but I also feel Iniesta and Falcao will challenge for that third slot. Pirlo as well.
  4. Bada Bing

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    Betting odds:

    1. Messi 1.6 - 1.7
    2. Cronaldo 3.5 - 4.5
    3. Iniesta 3.8 - 6.0

    Probably how the top 3 will pan out, and IMO how it should pan out.


  5. Bada Bing

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    Based on OPTA statistics, compiled by whoscored:

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  6. zahzah

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    By countries:
    Spain - 7
    Italy - 3
    Argentina, Ivory Coast, Germany - 2
    France, Columbia, Sweden, Brasil, Portugal, England, Holland - 1

    By continents:
    Europe 17 (from 8 countries)
    South America 4 (from 3 countries)
    Africa 2 (from 1 country)

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    Anyone missing in your opinion? Anyone doesn't deserve to be on the list?
    My opinion - Busquets and Pique shouldn't be anywhere near this list. Would prefer Arturo Vidal and Eden Hazard. Also Balotelli hasn't really been that good and I think a nod to Belhanda or Goetze would be much better placed.

    Also Petr Cech may have sucked for Czech Rep., but he was pivotal to Chelsea winning the Champions League. Would place him ahead of Buffon.

    Shocking to see only 1 Brasilian on such a list...
  7. lanman

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    Pique is the big aberration for me - I think he's started fewer than 30 games for Barcelona in 2012. That's nowhere near enough to merit inclusion.

    As for the final three, it's obviously going to be Messi, Ronaldo and a big gap to third place. With the emphasis being on the top two, any of a number of players could round it out.
  8. unclesox

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    Jose Antonio Camacho, who gets to vote as coach of the China national team, revealed last week who he voted for:
    1- Iniesta
    2- Casillas
    3- Xavi
    Quote: "The best players are Spanish, right?"

    Spain captain Iker Casillas also let out who he voted for...
    1- Sergio Ramos
    2- Cristiano Ronaldo
    3- Xavi
    Second straight year he didn't list Messi in his top three.
    Sergio Ramos via twitter:
    "I want to thank my great friend Iker for his vote for the Ballon d'Or."
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    When asked last Tuesday who he voted for Spain coach Vicente Del Bosque offered no hints:
    "I'll vote for the top three when the time arrives."
  9. Bada Bing

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    Camacho voted last year: 1. Casillas, 2. Xavi, 3. Iniesta. Hate the biased voters.
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    Not really feeling Pique nor Balotelli on that list.

    If Casillas did vote for Ramos that's pretty comical.
  11. schwuppe

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    Balotelli and Pique are the least deserving imo
  12. schwuppe

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    I thought they aren't allowed to vote for their teammates?
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    I think clubmates have always been allowed. It was fellow countrymen that wasn't until last year.
    For example, a year or two ago Casillas voted for C.Ronaldo, Ozil and Benzema (I think), no Spaniards but all Real Madrid teammates. But starting last year he could vote for Spaniards as well.


    It was reported by sportyou.es although the article did not provide a direct quote from Casillas.
    Still, Ramos thanked him via twitter...
  14. schwuppe

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    Now that's bs imo...
    Pathetic voting for his buddy. I mean come on no one can seriously think that Sergio Ramos deserves the Ballon D'Or.
  15. laudrup_10

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    Interesting, I think it's a toss up between Messi and Casillas. Btw Camacho is hilarious!
  16. condor11

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    anyone that does not have C Ronaldo and Messi in top 3 should be banned from voting ever again
  17. JamesBH11

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    It should be Messi . CR7 and
    ... whoever ... As no one really deserved such honor beside the two "obvious"!

    - Especially Balotelli (for one nice long shot at Euro) and Pique ... for being among the Euro winner? Even Kun, Ramos and Nuer are to make out the 23names? What a SAD list! that made Neymar become a circus player? GOSH

    - My final TOP5:
    Messi, CR7, Falcao, Iniesta and Pirlo -
    if extend to 10: Yaya Tourre, Xavi, Drogba Zlatan and Cassilas
  18. zahzah

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    Ibrahimovic basically hinted that no Messi on his ballot.
  19. PuckVanHeel

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    Alex Ferguson is nominated for the coach of the year award. This one is really the worst of them all:

    • Blew a eight points advantage (early April 2012) in the title race. Manchester City overtook them.
    • Humiliated in the Champions League (11/12) and in this current edition the form isn't spectacular either.
    • Humiliated two times by Athletic Bilbao, which is like David versus Goliath.
    Really horrible nomination.
  20. comme

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    The WhoScored rating is typically extremely accurate IMO.

    Pirlo should really be in the frame given that he was stellar in Serie A and at the Euros. Consistently excellent in the last 18 months.

    I've a feeling that Iniesta will (undeservedly) get close though.
  21. unclesox

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    FIFA Coach of the Year candidates:
    Vicente del Bosque (Spain)
    Roberto di Matteo (ITA - Chelsea)
    Alex Ferguson (SCO - Manchester United)
    Pep Guardiola (ESP - FC Barcelona)
    Jupp Heynckes (GER - Bayern Munich)
    Jürgen Klopp (GER - Borussia Dortmund)
    Joachim Löw (Germany)
    Roberto Mancini (ITA - Manchester City)
    Jose Mourinho (POR - Real Madrid)
    Cesare Prandelli (Italy)
    Shortlist of three finalists will be announced on November 29.


    Last week Spanish media reported that Iker Casillas voted for Del Bosque ahead of Mourinho.
  22. PuckVanHeel

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    The top two yes but below these two it is contentious.

    I remember that whoscored rated David Luis among the best, while he was and is extremely criticized.

    In this top 20 list spots four and five (Ibrahimovic and Hazard; who are very close to each other but on considerable distance of place 3 and place 6) are very debatable. Similarly, Vidal is arguably not a top 10 player in the world and Reus above Van Persie can't be true.

    With all due respect for Juventus but there is no way that they possess three (Pirlo, Chiellini, Vidal) of the best 10 players of the world/europe.
  23. condor11

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    why undeservdly?
  24. condor11

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    overated coach....yeah I said it;)
  25. comme

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    Because he was pretty unspectacular in the league last season. He wasn't in the top 50 players in Europe IMO based on his club performances.

    Meanwhile he did his normal thing for Spain of playing very nicely but without penetration. Still a great player to watch and he did well at the Euros, but not nearly enough to threaten the top 3 given how consistently excellent the likes of Pirlo and Zlatan have been.

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