Berti Vogts has been named special advisor to Klinsmann for the World Cup

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  1. deuteronomy

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    http://www.ussoccer.com/news/mens-national-team/2014/03/140330-mnt-adds-vogts.aspx

    “We are absolutely thrilled to have Berti join us as an advisor,” said Klinsmann. “He brings a wealth of knowledge and experience, both as a player and a coach, and he knows what it takes to succeed at the highest level. He was my coach for Germany in the 1990s and we have a great relationship. Through his time as the head coach of Scotland, Nigeria and Azerbaijan, he is obviously very familiar with our opponents in the group stage of the World Cup, and for us this is a huge bonus.”

    In his role as Special Advisor, Vogts will aid in the development of training plans, help prepare scouting reports, and travel to observe matches of the USA’s opponents in the lead-up to the tournament and in Brazil.

    “As we move toward the World Cup, we are shifting some responsibilities within the technical staff that we believe will put individuals in areas of strength and provide us with the best opportunity to be successful,” said Klinsmann. -


    This is absolutely awesome news, Props to Jurgen Klinsmann. . .

    I am sure we all look forward to the technical and tactical adjustments this brilliant coach will make for our team going forward.


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    I think this is great! His knowledge will def. be a help at the higher levels like the WC.

    But I can see it now--if we succeed at teh WC it will be becasue Vogts was hired as a special advisor lol.
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    I don't think Vogts will be making technical or tactical adjustments for the USMNT. Herzog and Hamman already have their plates full scouting US players in Europe each week; it appears Vogt's is being added temporarily to scout USA opponents for the WC, in addition.

    It was also announced that Tab Ramos will be replacing Martin Vasquez as Jurgen's primary assistant coach, so if technical or tactical adjustments are in the offing, it will be due to the difference between Ramos's and Vasquez's inputs, to which as fans we can only speculate.
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    I suspect this is why we playing Azerbaijan.

    The only downside is Tab Ramos being pushed up.
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    Doesn't Tab already have a bunch of other youth soccer jobs and commitments atm?
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    I have my doubts about berti. Guy is old, hasn't coached German soccer in 13 years. I don't really know how much insight he'll really be able to add. I'd rather hire someone who's working in German soccer now.

    I wonder who will be assigned to scout each team. I'm guessing:
    Berti - Germany
    Ramos - Portugal
    Herzog - Ghana
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    Don't underestimate old' knowledge.

    Bolivia's NT coach who hardly did any good for the last 2 years was hired as my club's head coach recently. His ideas were considered 'dated' by many, same with tactics....but he took a team who was last place in a tough group of the libertadores to now on top with a win vs. Leon in Mexico (Copa Libertadores), a tie in Brasil vs. Flamengo...and on the verge of qualifying to the final 16 of the Libertadores with his 'old/dated' tactics and knowledge.

    Don't sleep on experience...
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    My only fear is that he wont be central enough to the team.

    He is slated to be a scout and I guess organize a bit, but there is no substitute for having him on the pitch working our boys.

    JK takes his time, but so far: 1. MV gone, 2. questioning JJ's ability and hopefully 3. moving cameron to CM. With these 3 things he makes our team much better.
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    Are you telling me that our opponents haven't been scouted yet?
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    Actually, they've just been reading all of our bs threads. We're all experts right?
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    So is he quitting the Azerbaijan job after we play them? How can he perform both duties for 2 countries at the same time?

    No follow up from the journos... ranting a bit here, but it's disappointing the media we have. Sunday or not it can be pretty crap.
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    That's what we need in US Soccer... More German efficiency. It worked wonders for NASA back in the day. ;)
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    Tab Ramos as the number 2 is slightly terrifying.
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    4 years ago, our players knew everything about the individual players they'd be facing. They knew what types of runs they'd make, they could predict what they'd do under pressure, the passes they looked for, the space they tended to occupy...our players t knew just about every tendency of players we'd be up against in the Group Stage, and it probably played a significant role in winning our group. That process took almost the full six months we had from the draw to first kick.

    This coaching change leads me to believe that ground work had not yet even started, about 2 months before the world cup.
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    Berti Vogts

    1. Legend at Borussia Monchengladbach with 419 matches and 32 goals as his only club he ever played for. He was named German "player of the year" twice.

    2. 96 caps for Germany (of course at the time, West Germany) from 1967-1978 (this was a period when 100 caps was mostly unheard of).

    3. Nicknamed "the terrier" because of his determined style, he is credited with shutting down Johann Cruyff in the 1974 World Cup final. This, of course, makes him a World Cup Champion, as a player.

    4. He scored an "on goal" in the following World Cup against Austria allowing Austria to advance and Germany to end it's defense of the Cup. The game is known as the "Miracle of Cordoba". This was Austria's first win over Germany in 47 years.
    http://www.viennareview.net/on-the-town/city-life/the-cordoba-miracle

    5. When he retired as a player, he immediately was hired as Germany's U-21 coach, a job he held until 1990.

    6. In 1986, he became a full assistant with the national team.

    7. He coached Germany from 1990, succeeding Beckenbauer, through 1998. Although Germany won the Euros in 1996, these were mostly difficult times, with an aging squad, and Vogts was hounded by the German press until he resigned in 1998.
    http://www.nytimes.com/1998/09/09/sports/09iht-rob.t.html

    8. He was out of coaching for a while, but returned to coach Bayer Leverkusen, where the team earned Champions League qualification.

    9. Since then, he has coached the national teams of Kuwait, Scotland, Nigeria and most recently, Azerbajan.
    He was rehired by Azerbajan, who were pleased with the results he produced.

    10. His real name is Hans Hubert

    As a player:

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    Coaching for Scotland:
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    And yes, Martin Vasquez is Out . . .

    http://soccerly.com/article/auxerre/klinsmann-adjusts-us-staff-adds-vogts-and-ramos-drops-vasquez

    Less than three months before the World Cup begins, U.S. coach Jürgene Klinsmann made significant changes to his staff, bringing on World Cup winner Berti Vogts as a special adviser, promoting former U.S. national team star Tab Ramos to assistant coach and dropping longtime deputy Martin Vasquez.

    . . . transitioned to other responsibilities for USA soccer:
    http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/...uffles-coaching-staff-adding-major-firepower/

    Thank you for your service, Martin . . .
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    Interesting. This seems a little late in the game for such changes, but it certainly makes me feel better.
  19. Sam Hamwich

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    How do you know that about 2010? I completely believe it, just curious.
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    Which part makes you feel better?
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    I suspect Martin Vasquez will increase his responsibilities as a Mexico-based scout for the USSF. He's already been working in this area along with Carlos Juarez.

    Prior to this there was speculation amongst media types that he was going to become the head coach of the US pre-Olympic program (there's a U21 team meeting shortly that will morph into the next U23 group for Olympic qualifying.)
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    Not challenging your claim but wondering what source I missed on #2 above. What leads you to believe that (believe me, I would like to believe it too, as well as #3)?

    EDIT: Ok, after poking around I see the discussions of JJ's stint in Turkey, that must be it. No reply needed.
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    I'm guessing that he's not the "actual" number two, despite the title, but if he is... man, I don't know what to say.
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    Bob Bradley and some of his players talked about it in interviews. Bradley wasn't a tactical mastermind, but the man idolized NFL coaches like Bill Parcels. Which basically was exhaustive scouting and prep.
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    Sounds like Klinsi had a tough self examination and realized that getting beat 2-0,3-0, 5-2 in group would not suffice to b.s. everybody about what a great future lay ahead.

    Vogts might have been brought on board earlier. At this stage he is likely to be a good critic but it is hard to see how he could reform the team's defects in the limited time available. Too far behind the curve to make the turn...:eek::eek:
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