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Best of Bundesliga 1963 to 2014

Discussion in 'Soccer History' started by Gregoriak, Jan 16, 2014.

  1. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    I came up with the following "Best of Eleven" for various Bundesliga epochs based more or less on my gut feeling (criteria for inclusion: a minimum of two seasons have to be played):

    1963 to 1969
    (covering seasons 1963-64 to 1968-69)
    --------- 11 Emmerich------9 G.Müller------8 Seeler-------7 Held

    ----------------------10 Overath-----------6 Netzer

    --------------3 Höttges----4 Weber-----5 Beckenbauer-----2 Vogts

    -----------------------------------1 Wolter

    1970 to 1974
    (covering seasons 1969-70 to 1973-74)

    -----------------11 Heynckes--9 G.Müller------7 Libuda

    -----------------8 U.Hoeness---10 Netzer-----6 Wimmer

    -----3 Breitner----4 Schwarzenbeck---5 Beckenbauer----2 Vogts

    -----------------------------------1 Nigbur

    1975 to 1979
    (covering seasons 1974-75 to 1978-79)

    --------------11 K.Rummenigge----9 Fischer------7 Simonsen

    ------------------8 Keegan---------10 Grabowski-----6 Bonhof

    -------------3 Dietz-----4 Rüssmann-----5 Beckenbauer------2 Vogts

    ------------------------------------1 Hellström

    1980 to 1984
    (covering seasons 1979-80 to 1983-84)

    --------------------- 11 K.Rummenigge-------9 Völler

    -------------8 Cha----10 Sigurvinsson-----6 Breitner---7 Littbarski

    -------------3 Briegel------4 K.Förster-----5 Pezzey-----2 Kaltz

    --------------------------------------1 Franke

    1985 to 1989
    (covering seasons 1984-85 to 1988-89)

    ---------------------------11 K.Allofs-------9 Klinsmann

    --------------------8 Lerby------------------------------7 Hässler
    -------------------------------------10 Matthäus

    ---------------3 Brehme------------------------------------2 Reuter
    ---------------------------6 Buchwald-------4 Kohler
    ----------------------------------5 Augenthaler

    --------------------------------------1 Köpke

    1990 to 1994
    (covering seasons 1989-90 to 1993-94)

    ------------------------------11 Kirsten-------------9 Yeboah

    ---------------------------------10 Bein------------7 Möller
    -------------------------4 Sammer----8 Matthäus----6 Effenberg

    -------------------------------3 Helmer-------2 Buchwald
    ------------------------------------------5 Binz

    ------------------------------------------1 Stein

    1995 to 1999
    (covering seasons 1994-95 to 1998-99)

    ------------------------------11 Polster---------9 Elber

    ---------------------8 Herzog------10 Balakov------7 Scholl
    --------------------------------4 Soldo----------6 Effenberg

    -------------------------------3 Julio César-----2 Wörns
    ----------------------------------------5 Sammer

    ------------------------------------------1 Kahn
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2014
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  2. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member

    Sep 17, 2009
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    Finally allstar XI resembling real teams. Honorable mentions? Which choices were the hardest to decide for.
  3. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002

    I had several names worthy of inclusion which I dropped but who might've made the first choice team on another day.

    Like Felix Magath (early-80s left midfield instead of Cha), Manfred Burgsmüller (late-70s/early-80s midfield), Horst Hrubesch (early-80s center forward instead of Völler), Jürgen Grabowski (early 70s right wing instead of Libuda), Hansi Müller (late-70s left midfield), Gerd Müller (late-70s center forward instead of Fischer), Bernd Franke or Dieter Burdenski (late-70s instead of Hellström), Schumacher instead of Franke (early-80s), Sepp Maier instead of Horst Wolter (late 60s), Morten Olsen instead of Soren Lerby (late 80s), Thomas Berthold instead of Stefan Reuter (late 80s), Matthias Herget instead of Klaus Augenthaler (late 80s), Olaf Thon instead of Manfred Binz (early-90s), Frank Verlaat instead of Matthias Sammer (late 90s), Jürgen Kohler instead of Christian Wörns (late 90s).
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  4. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    For fun, I also came up with two teams for the last decade....

    2000 to 2004

    (covering seasons 1999-00 to 2003-04)

    --------------------- 11 Pizarro-------9 Ailton

    -----------7 Zé Roberto----10 Micoud-----8 Ballack
    --------------------------------6 Ernst

    ----------3 Lizarazu------5 Lucio-----4 Nowottny----2 Sagnol

    ---------------------------------1 Kahn

    2005 to 2009
    (covering seasons 2004-05 to 2008-09)

    --------------------------------9 Klose

    -----------11 Ribéry---------10 Diego---------7 Schneider
    --------------------6 Frings------------8 Ballack

    ------------3 Lahm------5 Bordon-----4 Mertesacker----2 Castro

    ------------------------------1 Weidenfeller
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  5. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    You did pretty good actually ... until the last team ..
    Ballack was no longer good there in midfield. I would replace with Van Der Vaart and few others before him
  6. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002

    Rafael van der Vaart was not eligible for the 2004-05 to 2008-09 "Best of XI" as he only played one season (2005-06) during that time span and the minimum is two seasons.

    Ballack's performances in 2004-05 and 2005-06 were pretty good. He became German Footballer of the Year in 2005 and was a major player in the Bayern side that dominated German club football in those years (winning back-to-back championships and back-to-back DFB Cups).

    Have a look at the 2005 "German Footballer of the Year" votes:

    Rank Player Votes
    01. Michael Ballack 516
    02. Lukas Podolski 103
    03. Marcelinho 99
    04. Marek Mintal 55
    05. Bastian Schweinsteiger 39
    06. Per Mertesacker 28
    07. Roy Makaay 25
    08. Lincoln 21
    09. Dietmar Hamann 10
    10. Sebastian Deisler 8
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  7. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Thanks for clarification .. I did doublecheck over the weekend, and you were right ... Ballack was still very good at least until 2006-07
  8. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    I did make a mistake though when I said van der Vaart was not eligible. Of course he played more than 1 season during that timespan 2004-05 to 2008-09.
  9. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    While I'm at it ....

    2010 to 2014

    (covering seasons 2009-10 to 2013-14)

    ---------------------------9 Lewandowski

    -----------11 Ribéry---------10 Götze---------7 Robben
    ---------------------6 Kroos-------------8 Schweinsteiger

    ------------3 Alaba------5 Dante-----4 Hummels----2 Lahm

    --------------------------------1 Neuer
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  10. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    This is my take at an combined "Best of Bundesliga XI" from the above selections:

    --------------11 K.Rummenigge-----9 G.Müller-------7 Littbarski

    --------------------8 Ribéry---------10 Netzer---------6 Matthäus

    --------------3 Breitner------4 K.Förster-------5 Beckenbauer------2 Vogts

    ------------------------------------------1 Kahn

    Could have been Overath instead of Ribéry and Simonsen instead of Littbarski.
  11. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    With such XI I would play them a la Brazil 70:

    ------------ G Muller ----- Rummenigge--------------
    Ribery -----------------------------------------Littbarski
    ----------------- Netzer -------------------------------
    Breitner ------------------------------------------B Vogts
    ---------------------- Kahn -------------------------------

    I agree with your selection, since Overath would be redundant to Netzer in middle, and I prefer Littsbaski to Simonsen
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