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brazil offered bribe to ecuador wc 1994

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  1. OWN GOAL

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    i found an interesting incident that happened before wc 1994 and its about how brazil cheated their way to qualify to the finals
    its from a book called - how they stole the game- by David Yallup

    remember,, this is just a page from that book:)

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    Had Brazil lost to Ecuador by two goals or more, they would have been eliminated.
     
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    The first part about playing 4 straight games away then home is a non-issue. That format was the same in other CONMEBOL qualifiers before 94. Argentina also had the same same schedule and other teams played 3 consecutive games home or away.

    As for the 2nd part I don't doubt it. Playing in altitude on couple days sucks anyways.
     
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    celito, for the WC94 qualifiers Argentina played Peru at home, then Paraguay and Colombia away in the first leg, the return leg was Peru away, Paraguay and Colombia at home.
     


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    u r right about argrntina schedule but according to Yallup only brazil that had to arrange for their schedule and pay the other federations for that but he didnt manage to find out the amount of money brazil offered to them
    since brazil paid ecuador to play at see level city, i assume that brazil paid mexico for guadalahara in 1970 and 1986 coz at these world cups brazil was the only team that play all their games in one city.
     
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    Probably more of a case of the number of available stadiums. Had Brazil finished 2nd in the group, I am sure they would have had to move and played in Leon.
     
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    I wonder how muych he had to do with arranging Brasil to play in Santa Cruz for the Copa America 1997, essentially giving way to Brasil ending up in the Final....

    With that said, thanks for the scan! I have some videos of after the win over Brasil for the first time... all this crap that came out of his mouth against altitute and that its inhuman to play there... AFTER brasil lose for the first time... doesn't matter that they've mopped the floor with Bolivia all the time before then.



     
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    how can the number of the stadiums be a factor here mr cilito :)
    in 1970 there were 5 stadiums, in 86 12 stadiums.
    had it happened once, it wdnt have attracted such attention but it happened twice :)
    and why only brazil ????
    regarding the possibility of playing in another city if brazil finished second, yeah thats correct
    but brazil wd never finish second and i think thats why the referee helped them against spain at 86 just to keep them in guadalahara :)
     
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    I don't doubt there might have been something in 86. Brazil really like Guadalajara in 70 because of the hospitality of the people. But had Brazil gotten to the final, they would have had to move once in the competition (to the altitude). England for example, played all their 2 group games in the same city. In R16 they would have moved to Mexico City and not moved until the Final.
     
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    u r welcome mate
    and i must thank u for the footage they seem valuable,, cud u kindly tell me what they are saying there as i do not speak spanish.
    regarding copa 97 i never knew about it, i just know that brazil won it because argentina and uruguay played with their second line coz they werent interested in it unlike tixiera and ronaldo :)
     
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    what england had wasnt odd as it happened to other teams and in other taurnaments like 1990
    coz its group stage. but the case of brazil is totally different coz it seems that their way to the final was smoothed..
     
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    Basically hinting at the 'black hand' in soccer trying to make it(texeira) so bolivia doesn't make it to the WC.

    They were right, at least as far as there being shady stuff going on...

    Nothing much else though. Just Brasilian media, saying how it's inhumane to have people play at the altitude of la paz, and the cut off should be 2350.mts.

    And also Titi Fernandez a beat writer in Argentina backing everything being said, how Uruguay and Brasil fell to Bolivia and all of a sudden altitude needed to be banned...
     
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    thanks dude
    regarding la paz,, i think its bolivia's right to play in it. its their soil
    i wasnt happy when it was banned for sometime before some people like maradona did their best to have the ban removed. however bolivia returned the favour by beating maradona's team 6/1 :) Lol
     
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    That was a pretty obvious move. No invisible hand there. But it wasn't only Brazil. Argentina was in it too trying to set the limit. I think they have the right to play in altitude specifically when it's the country's capital. But there is no question there is a clear advantage to the team who is acclimated to the altitude.
     
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    I am really starting to think you are David Yallup himself trying to sell the book given how many threads you have opened in this topic and referring to the book...
     
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    LOL, and I thought it was a legit thread.
     
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    It's funny, I read a review of his book saying he finds nothing wrong with WC 66. And guess what, England played all of their games in Wembley while others had to travel ... :rolleyes:
     
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    Yes, also France played all their matches at the Parc des Princes during WC98. I also feel that had Italy taken the same approach in WC90, they probably would have won that Cup. Talk about fate, their only departure from Rome took them to Napoli, to play, of all teams, Argentina with Maradona in the house he built :devilish:
     
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    Another thing about '70. There is another good reason Brazil having played in Guadalajara except the final. It had the 2nd biggest stadium after Mexico City. The groups were setup expecting Mexico to place first and play in Mexico City in the QF then Guadalajara. Giving Brazil the 2nd biggest option since it's the team that would sell most tickets after Mexico given it's popularity and Pele. However Mexico placed 2nd. The QF game in Azteca was USSR x Uruguay. Attendance ... 24,550 in a stadium with 100,000 capacity. Brazil had 50,000+ in each of their games.
     
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    That's not true. They played their group games in 3 different stadiums. They played the R16 in a different stadium too. They played in Stade de France thereafter (you're mixing it up with Parc de Princes). While Brazil had to travel all around France after every game. I smell conspiracy ... ;)
     
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    Ok, thanks for the correction, I really should do some fact-checking before posting off my memory. But the case with Italy is true, I will always wonder what made them set themselves up for such failure (although they probably thought before the WC that going to Milan to potentially play the Netherlands was far riskier).
     
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    im not Yallup :)
    i just like how he wants to spread the truth and fight sport evil:)
    regarding ital and argentina, i happened to watch a documentary on the plane's TV about maradona and according to it, italy delibrately changed the match playground and moved it to napoli when they realised that arg was their opponent. they wanted to humiliate maradona in front of his fans.
     
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    Mistake.LOL.Big.
     
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