DCU v NYRB - Marrufo [R]

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  1. iron81

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    Placeholder to laugh at Andy Najar when the video goes up. Probably worth noting Marrufo did not go with a straight red.


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    LMAO. Two own goals and then that? Sounds like I missed a MLS special.
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    I've only been seagulling into this game but I REALLY wish I'd DVR'd it.
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    I wonder if the 1st yellow was for DRS for carrying the ball around.


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    Saw that when it happened, I believe he truly just didn't want to be on the field, Marrufo was merely facilitating his exit.

    EDIT: <rant> What is the deal with all these players continuing to crowd the referee (and each other) over everything? When is it permissible to just warn them "hey, this card's not done eating yet!". </rant>
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    I'm betting it was for tactical UB. He didn't go immediately to the pocket, but I'm betting he was trying to slow down the game a touch.
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    Also could have been checking everyone's angle via the radio. But yeah that's just stupid. 3 games minimum.
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    Clearly Najar's initial caution was a professional foul to break up an attack. Throwing the ball at the official is beyond stupid. Glad he was sent off. He deserved it.
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    I liked seeing the calls for trapping opponents in a bearhug...but if you're going to call it in the field, you should also call it in the box. There were some interesting missed calls, like the NYRB passback. The announcer noted that it couldn't have possibly been an illegal passback because the keeper appeared so nonchalant. Um, right, that's how you tell.
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    I was there. Andy obviously lost his mind on that play. Given all the stuff he was letting go that was a VERY soft foul. One of my friends who sits higher up noted that Maruffo was not going to call a foul until the NY player grabbed the ball. I think the first caution was for running away with the ball, not for the "foul". But then how he didn't go straight red for what happened next is, frankly, baffling.

    The play on the NY goal sure looked like an obvious foul on the GK. The NY player seemed to purposefully bump him. And it certainly had the desired effect. The AR should have been looking right at it if Maruffo was screened. I think that obviously incensed the entire team. And I believe that had a little something to do with Najar losing his mind. I also think the referee knew something about that goal wasn't quite right because he didn't caution Hamid for chasing him to midfield.

    I haven't seen a clear replay of Pajoy getting NFL-style tackled in the middle of the PA in the second half. The illegal "back pass" was a big miss, but I can see how they might have though Pajoy got a toe to it. Not a great performance by any of the 3 teams I think.
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    I don't know about the first caution being for DR. If you watch the replay above, as Maruffo blows the whistle, he is already starting to reach for his pocket. The second caution is obvious. What a stupid way to get sent off.
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    Marrufo definitely let them play as there were plays in the first half I think he issues cautions for tactical fouls had it been a regular season game.

    Great job by the AR on the ball that barely crossed the goal line. Not an easy call to make.

    A possible foul by Red Bull Connor Lade late in the 2nd half when one of the DC United players goes down on the left wing. Either Marrufo thought the player went down too easily or he realizes if he whistles the foul he has to pull out a card, as Lade was already sitting on a yellow.

    DC United players constantly complaining and Olsen ranting on the sidelines didn't help their cause.
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    DC United are their own worst enemies. Start off strong and then blow it with a pathetic PK attempt. Then Najar's petulant attitude that cost them their attacking momentum and hurts them going into NY.

    As for Marrufo and company, I thought that they had a pretty good game until the tail end when he let two big bear hugs go by RB and then missed the obvious passback.

    I was there and at the time was focusing on Najar's runs. Caution was clearly UB for the tactical foul - it doesn't get anymore textbook than that and Maruffo had already given NY a caution for something similar (and both were right in front of the benches). It was obvious he was going to get booked and Najar just waived him off and started walking away with the ball - very immature and childish kind of like he was saying I am taking my ball and going home. From my vantage point it seemed Marrufo responded by shifting from a casual booking to I am going to run 3 or 4 strides to separate myself from the others who have gathered and make it clear to all that you are getting a caution.

    Then Najar tosses the ball back and hits him - so Marrufo starts pulling his red, shows yellow again and then sends him off. Najar was like the little kid who reaction to getting a minor scolding is to then when stomping away throws or kicks something what gets him into more trouble and then is suddenly sorry b/c they "didn't realize that would happen" or "I didn't mean to!"

    What is frustrating about Najar is that he was making some really great off the ball runs and I kept pointing that out to my son and telling him to just watch how Najar moves off the ball. He was floating all alone on the right flank just before it all happened and then rather than acting professionally after committing a professional foul he acts like a little spoiled brat and sets a horrible example for any of the kids that were there.

    As for the passback, I honestly think that Marrufo wasn't expecting it and got lulled into the flow of the game. There were a couple of offside flags that he waived down about the same time.
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    Am I the only one who thinks that wasn't a passback violation? The defender tackled the ball away from the opponent. The fact that the goalkeeper was there was circumstantial.
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    I am erring toward accepting he was close to the play and saw/heard something we didn't. For everyone saying on TV it was "clear," I disagree. Holgersson's body/touch did not seem in a position to make a back pass, but more like a lunge/toe poke toward the ball. In addition, it is possible that Pajoy kicks Holgersson's foot as he is making contact as the poke happens.
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    There was no second caution. The initial caution was for unsporting behavior, a professional foul to break up an attack. The next card shown was red, and it was a send off for throwing the ball at the referee.
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    On the topic of no straight red: Between this and the Brek Shea incident, I suppose we have to conclude that high level refs do not consider this offense VC.

    He put the YC up twice. Once before the throw and once after. Najar threw the ball in reaction to the first yellow.

    FWIW, the match report on mlssoccer.com has two yellows.
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    That was not a close call, the whole of the ball went over. It may look close because the DC goalkeeper parried the ball towards the field of play.
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    Yes, I went back and looked at it again. You are right. Marrufo was wrong to show a yellow for his throwing the ball, he should have shown Najar the red card directly.
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    I can't believe he only showed a second yellow for it. It's as clear a case of VC or an abusive gesture as you get to me.
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    In the Brek Shea incident which you may not be aware of, he kicked the ball at the AR from 4 yards while it was dead. Neither the AR nor the center even flinched. You can the the FIFA center (Toledo?) walk right past Shea. A YC is an improvement.



    I guess they aren't supposed to had out reds in this spot in this country.
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    To me, it should have been straight red. The match report on MajorLeagueSoccerSoccerSoccerSoccer.com has it listed as a second yellow for dissent after the initial yellow for the foul. I guess the end result would have been the same, but it could make a difference when the Disciplinary Committee takes a look at it.

    As for the backpass that wasn't called... I agreed with that decision. Countless times I've seen this -- when the defender is trying to take possession away from the attacker, and the result of that kick winds up sending the ball directly to the GK, it's not sanctioned as a "backpass" -- it's interpreted as a defensive play rather than a pass.

    Personally, I don't agree with this interpretation. I think if you swing your foot through the ball in the direction of your goalkeeper, it doesn't take a genius to figure out where it's going. If I had my way, this rule would be re-worded so that any intentional play off the foot of a defender is off-limits for the keeper to pick up, just to take the ambiguity out of the Law. But currently, that non-call is consistant of the current climate of the game.

    The thing that bothered me more than anything is, once again, the grave lack of respect towards the officials. Najar gets sent off for a completely stupid act, in a completely non-controversial decision (so much so that he didn't even protest -- he got the hell out of there rather quickly), yet STILL DC players feel the need to swarm Marrufo and argue. And then they spent the last twenty minutes of the match feeling like they were entitled to have every single call go their way because of it (never mind that they had a PK earlier in the match) and committed very demonstrative acts of dissent like it was no big deal.
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    Have to agree with KCBus. I'm a DC fan and a really bad homer, and I was embarrassed by how much complaining DC was doing. I can't imagine what the players were complaining about after the Najar sendoff or some of the fouls after (and this was from Olsen on down)
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    Najar's reaction was entirely unacceptable, no question. However, for him to get a yellow card on an action that was let go all night long, without a prior call indicating PI, I think the first yellow was a terrible, terrible decision. Especially in light of other blatant fouls that were entirely ignored. Marrufo's foul recognition is for crap.

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