England vs. Orange, Friendly: Wednesday 29/02/12, 21:00 [R]

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  1. Mr.S

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    That is not my issue. Wilshere IMO is not a TOP class talent but a Potential Top Class talent & talents can go either way.

    And I refuse to believe Rooney is technically or skillfully as good as Aguero or Ibra neither his link up or passing range in that level. Being British makes him automatically hyped.
    By Current form RVP,Aguero,Gomez,Huntelaar,Benzema,Higuain,Messi,Ibra,Cavani are better than him.

    Just Rooney being English makes him automatically hyped.


  2. JC-14

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    He's either a talent or he's not. There's no such thing as a potential talent. Personally I think he's the cream of the crop in England and I'm surprised their country has been able to produce such a complete midfielder who not only seems to possess the typical English physical attributes but also an un-English aptitude for technical and tactical football in tighter spaces. He really impressed me in the home game vs Barça last year. He's easily a few classes above older Ramsey. Although I would like to see them play together.

    Rooney in my book is in the same league as RvP, Zlatan, Aguero, etc. There are very view strikers on this planet who are so complete, so versatile and reach such a high quality in everything they do. Rooney is so versatile that I´m convinced you can play him anywhere on the field. Probably even keeper. And I don´t think RvP, Zlatan or Aguero are technically superior either.

    Many English players are overhyped, most actually, but imo Wilshere and Rooney are definitely not.
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    You can have your opinion but I completely disagree that Rooney technically is as good RVP,Zlatan or Kun. RVP & Kun's touches are more delicate & they are better dribblers. Zlatan's passing range is just sick. While Rooney is decent,he is not in that league. Just my opinion.

    I actually like Welbeck's movements. He is a raw kid & far far from the best. But his movement is very deceptive & he opens up a lot of space. He can be a very good player.

    And Wilshere cant be judged on the basis of only 1 Match. No way. He needs to prove himself consistently. Only then can he be called a Top Class talent.
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    When have you ever seen RvP dribble past a player? And Zlatan, Kun and RvP technique aren't flawless either. Zlatan was exposed at Barça. Like RvP constantly is at Oranje. They need space just as much as Rooney does. There are many players who have better control and technique than the mentioned players; Silva, Ozil and Iniesta to name a few.

    Messi I don't even want to mention because nobody even comes close.

    Welbeck is like Pedro. Which means pretty good but not great.


  5. Mr.S

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    Wellbeck is way better than Pedro. Just my opinion.

    And Zlatan was not really exposed at Barca. It was Pep loosing his balls. Making shit purchases at exhorbitant rates & then not using them properly. Eto,Henry,Ibra & now Villa. Probably because he is dear boy Messi wants to play a False No.9.

    When Ibra came to Barca he was initially awesome,got plenty of goals & assists. Dont sell me the Inter match as Messi was big a disgrace in that match at Ibra was & Messi is the best player in the world.

    Ibra is a No.9,you dont play him in a ridiculous False No.9 position. I saw Ibra's interview time & again & he repeatedly told Pep that you buy a Ferrari to play him as a Ferrari not to play him as False No.9 or in a slightly wider role. Anyways this is a completely different direction.
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    Ibrahimovic was the wrong player for Barca, plain and simple. Eto'o was already there and had a solid track record so I don't know why you classify him as poor buy (I guess you just didn't know that he was basically swapped for Zlatan).

    I'll tell you who is going to be a great player, Christian Tello. He's fast and composed out on the left wing and his two goals yesterday against Leverkusen were well taken. I felt a little sorry for the German team as they were totally dominated. If Barca hadn't taken their foot off the pedal in the last 30 minutes, they could have scored another six goals.
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    Cuenca and Thiago are awesome as well.

    Mr.S:
    Eto'o was always used as the deep striker and was amazing for Barça. So I don't know why you're mentioning him. Especially since he got turned into a glorified right back under Mourinho.

    Villa and Henry have done just fine for Barça.

    Ibrahimovic failed because his technique under pressure was inadequate and because he spend half the time being offside chasing easy goals. Messi plays there now because he is by far the best option.
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    You're not Dutch, so what are you about to insult English guests on my thread with bigotry like, bordering on racism remarks!:rolleyes:
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