Frank Klopas Career Deathwatch Thread

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  1. Mr. Warmth

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    I admitted I was wrong about him for the Nats, he was a bust for the Fire
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  2. bunge

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    Numbers updated with "point percentage", meaning the number of possible points a coach got. Yeah, the numbers from Wikipedia are suspect but this is the best I have access to:

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             P      W      L      D     Pnt %
    Arena	450	242	128	80	59.70%
    Klopas	76	34	17	25	55.70%
    Bradley	272	124	94	54	52.21%
    Kreis	239	102	77	60	51.05%
    Kinnear	319	129	99	91	49.95%
    Yallop	378	150	132	96	48.15%
    Sigi	446	157	173	116	43.87%
  3. Mr. Warmth

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    # of wins is meaningless if you don't win anything other than an average draft pick and don't qualify for any CCL slots.
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    True, but building a champion takes more years now than it did in '98, or even '08. I think Kreis and Lagerway are the lone exception, but they haven't won anything since 2009? Even then, they had a losing record in the regular season. Solid evidence you can't blame the coaching staff and cut and run every year a team under performs.

    When we hired Denis I was skeptical that he could grow into Chicago's version of Sir Alex Ferguson. Ferguson is the example manager I've always used as the ideal because I want a long term system, not a rotation of hired assassins. I said at the time I thought we should hire a quality assassin manager for a few years with the express intent of teaching Denis to become our Ferguson. I think he got the job too soon and unfortunately failed.

    I've always wanted someone like Denis or Klopas to find their long term success here, rather than potential short term success with an Osorio or a Del los Cobos. I want a club that is built by and for Chicago and we have that opportunity again with Klopas.

    I'm honestly shocked Klopas is this high on the list. For all of the concerns people raise, I'll repeat that I think we should give Klopas more games to increase his sample size and prove his long time worth. I want to see us give him the space and support to grow into our Sir Alex Ferguson.

    Has he made mistakes? Of course, but you can't continuously cut and run.
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  5. Mr. Warmth

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    I didn't blame the coaching staff last season, this season, I do, because of the off season moves we made, lack of addressing needs, failure to make sure players were ready for the season, the failure to bench underperforming players, the failure to rotate players, the failure to develop academy & reserve players, etc.

    How many years did he have as an assistant to learn that you can't play "target forward" soccer when you don't have a target forward?

    At this point, we have neither and little hope for the latter.

    How many mediocre seasons do you want him to get? 5? 10?

    The Fire should be bigger than Klopas, not an internship for his Manager for Life job.
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    I want progress. I want a system that identifies problems and addresses them.

    What I don't want is the idiot, reactionary response of the Euro-trash dimwits that watch too much EPL and want to replace their manager after two losses.

    How many seasons? I dunno. We've just finished two. I believe a manager deserves three unless they completely ******** things up like De los Cobos.

    How often do you want to replace a manager? Every loss? Every third loss? Shouldn't there be some public discussion about cause and effect? Does every manager fail because Chad Barrett sucks? Where does it end?

    Does every bit of unhappiness on the field get resolved by a change in manager?
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    It would help if we had a FO, that knows what the fvck they are doing. If we had people in the FO that knew how to run a team and saw that Frankie isn't getting the job done (not saying that he isn't), then it's up to them to get somebody that can.

    Blackhawks did it, canned Savard after four games and replaced him with Q. If you see it's not going to work, get him out of there (again not saying that he isn't), he's sure as hell a 1,000 times better than CDLC. I just hope that's not the reason that Frankie is still our coach, judging him with CDLC. If that's the case I could probably do a better job than CDLC did.
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    If we don't, I want a manager that has the best interests of the club and the city at heart, not an absentee FO.
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    We've seen what this club is like when the FO chooses a coach, why would we want that again? My feeling is that Frank is the only reason why we're not a total joke.
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    what milicz said.. an out-of-towner or someone who never played for the Fire would probably have given up by now and worked just to ride out his contract.
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    Come on, you don't know that......Why would a coach just give up? If would make him look bad and make it harder for him to get another job.
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    How'd you like to work for Andy? :(
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    So then Frankie is our coach for life or to Andy sells the team.;)

    Or when the time comes, that Frankie finally tells Dear Leader to FVCK OFF.....:)
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    Yes, or until Andy decides to spend something close to DP salary on a coach. Then his choices aren't so limited. However, as has been posted ad nauseum, he also has to give any coach the tools that they need (money, FO support, freedom) for the team to be successful. The problems with this team are more than simply the coach and/or the players.
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    So we will be a .500 at best team, to the day that Andy sells the team.:D
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    I'm fine with Klopas holding the job until Bradley comes home from Egypt, but only if in the meanwhile they get him one of these guys:
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    I give Bob a lot of credit for sticking with his job given everything thats happened in Egypt the last year or so...
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    ...and Magee, unless you meant from a management perspective, then I agree.
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    I have not heard about Hauptman being a bad guy to work for, so I am not sure that an out-of-towner would have packed it in, but you could very well be correct. It certainly seems that way.
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    I have a fear that one of two things is happening: Frank says we need someone, and is told no, and/or Frank is told that we are getting/keeping someone that he fells that he neither wants nor needs. Employees tend to hate micro-managers. If I know my job is on the line, but I feel the boss is holding the company back as well as jeopardizing my career, I might be willing to look for other work. I don't think that Frank really has that luxury.
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    This is from last year, but it sounds like Hauptman at least thinks he's giving Frank what he is asking for, whether or not Klopas would agree with that....

    http://www.hottimeinoldtown.com/201...p-on-the-chicago-fire-2012-season-new-hire-of
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    Yeah, when that came out, I mentioned that it appeared to me that Andy was setting Frank up to take the fall.
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    So here's a Harvard Business Review review of Sir Alex's habits and thought processes.

    http://hbr.org/2013/10/fergusons-formula/ar/1

    Some had posted that we are not a club. Here is the World's Greatest Manager's explanation of how he planned to create a club out of what he found when he arrived at Man U:

    "Sir Alex Ferguson: From the moment I got to Manchester United, I thought of only one thing: building a football club. I wanted to build right from the bottom. That was in order to create fluency and a continuity of supply to the first team. With this approach, the players all grow up together, producing a bond that, in turn, creates a spirit.

    "When I arrived, only one player on the first team was under 24. Can you imagine that, for a club like Manchester United? I knew that a focus on youth would fit the club’s history, and my earlier coaching experience told me that winning with young players could be done and that I was good at working with them. So I had the confidence and conviction that if United was going to mean anything again, rebuilding the youth structure was crucial. You could say it was brave, but fortune favors the brave.

    "The first thought of 99% of newly appointed managers is to make sure they win—to survive. So they bring experienced players in. That’s simply because we’re in a results-driven industry. At some clubs, you need only to lose three games in a row, and you’re fired. In today’s football world, with a new breed of directors and owners, I am not sure any club would have the patience to wait for a manager to build a team over a four-year period.

    "Winning a game is only a short-term gain—you can lose the next game. Building a club brings stability and consistency. You don’t ever want to take your eyes off the first team, but our youth development efforts ended up leading to our many successes in the 1990s and early 2000s. The young players really became the spirit of the club.

    "I always take great pride in seeing younger players develop. The job of a manager, like that of a teacher, is to inspire people to be better. Give them better technical skills, make them winners, make them better people, and they can go anywhere in life. When you give young people a chance, you not only create a longer life span for the team, you also create loyalty. They will always remember that you were the manager who gave them their first opportunity. Once they know you are batting for them, they will accept your way. You’re really fostering a sense of family. If you give young people your attention and an opportunity to succeed, it is amazing how much they will surprise you. "

    The rest of the article should be required reading for the Fire's front office.
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    Those are really cool numbers.

    Theres one number category missing. That category would show a league title for every one of them except Klopas.
    So either he's due or there's always an exception.
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    That is a crucial number. I do say though that getting a championship is getting more difficult than most of those won by those coaches, Arena being the exception. Obviously he has been inflated by DPs in LA (and by just being the best coach in MLS), but other than that, I will simply repeat that it looks like winning a championship in this league now takes more than two years.

    Which leads into that interview with Sir Alex Ferguson and my next post:
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