Grant Wahl's 2014 Ambition Rankings

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  1. patfan1

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    Well, this is always one of the more fun threads each year.

    Revs move up 1 spot. YAY! ;)

    Here's the 2013 thread, and the 2012.

    Think you'll find some similarities.


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    I don't understand how Chivas is last, they have the most ambitious owners in the league. ;)
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    I'd say it's more that they got overtaken in the 'least caring ownership' rankings, through no added, or subtracted, effort on the part of the Revs ownership. On the bright side, it's said that having stable, consistent ownership is a good thing, and it's hard to argue that the Krafts have been anything but consistent, year after year.

    There was the appearance that they might be changing slightly, when they hired that guy at the before last season who I thought was brought in to work with the fans more, showing that perhaps they did care about the fans, and he had a thread here before the season asking for our thoughts and input, whatever happened to him?


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    As someone pointed out to me, if we keep moving up one spot at a time, in 16 years, we'll finally have the info about the SSS.

    Then again, it was tough to remind him that there's 2 new teams coming in next year. ;)
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    Marcus was his name. I think Marcus Myrick. Not here much since last early-mid of last year --
    http://www.bigsoccer.com/community/members/revsseasontix.223994/

    Probably realized after a while that many here are the sort of fans that want expensive things. Stadiums, rebranding, top-shelf talent, on-field results -- that sort of stuff.

    i.e., items that are not anywhere near being aligned with the business plan.

    He realized that in terms of low-effort, high revenue activities, talking here ranked very very low.
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    I am shocked the Revs were above DC.

    At least DC has started the stadium process.

    As we have continually said, the process is long and difficult and will have plenty of stops once it actually gets started (like DC is experiencing), but at least they have started the process.

    We continue to get the "well we will only build in the city", which we also know is followed by the unsaid "and we will need a ton of public money to accomplish this", which basically means they can keep uttering this statement every year on end.

    Ignoring the stadium, the article is painful to read just how much teams are doing which we continue to remain stuck in the sand in terms of having any market penetration.
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    I feel like we gave him some pretty good ideas that wouldn't have cost much money at all; having different sections for different styles of supporters and making the fort for supporter's group members are two that came to mind. From what I can tell, nothing that was discussed on that thread ever came to fruition or at least I didn't hear/notice it. I did notice more youth soccer teams in the fort and they sold a lot of international friendly tickets. So I guess that's worth a promotion or two.
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    Hmmm, interesting to see that most teams provide meals. Nutrition is particularly important, as we don't want these young guys eating Mac & Cheese for dinner, even if it is Kraft brand :)

    The Revs are a bit misleading with their radio part. You would think they have a full radio broadcast, the way it is listed there, but all it is is the audio from the TV. Gotta love listening to a game on radio and hearing them say, "Look right there, you can see on the replay where he... ah! yep, there it is..."
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    One I remember that would have been easier than those was just putting more signage around the stadium, to make it feel more like it really was the Revs' home too, as opposed to a troubled cousin that those who live there put up with, even if they'd prefer they didn't have to.


    As I sort of alluded to above, I think it's because while the Revs seem the same as they've always been, while DC's owners seem to be doing less than they've done in the past. I don't follow DC enough, but his explanation seemed to make sense. Should DC pick it up again, and Chivas get sold to someone who is in touch with reality, and wants to make the team succeed, I'm sure we'll see the Revs move up to the top, being the best at appearing to care the least.

    And not to turn this into yet another stadium thread, but I actually don't doubt that the Revs have "started" the "process", and whether it's seen as an excuse or not, everyone agrees that they should only build in the city/close metro area.
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    I'm amazed Bilello and/or Lemieux haven't yet gotten around to tweeting:

    #NERevs one of just two #MLS teams to rise in @GrantWahl Ambition Rankings for three straight years! #Movin'OnUp
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    Kinda bummed that we couldn't be last, just for the sake of saying that Wahl thinks the on-field product is the best in the league, while the off-field product is the worst.
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    "More Days in First Place. More Days in First Place. More Days in First Place."
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    "A much more extensive level of resource investment..."

    It was $1M a few years ago, $2M more recently. They haven't spent more than what they pay an offensive lineman on this supposed central, important issue.

    As was mentioned, and somehow missed by the intrepid Mr. Wahl, they're waiting for someone to commit public money to this team that has less then 6K seasons ticket holders, little to no local profile, and who's radio broadcasts are just the TV audio. Get real. Grant bought the same line this team has been selling since before the Obama administration.
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    You know that when someone buys Chivas, it will be a "new breed" type of owner, so right there, they will jump up to somewhere in the middle of the pack. As for DC, that is a pretty sorry situation, but there are at least a few things they have going for them that we don't:
    • Both play in a too-large stadium, but theirs is grass and they are the only tenant. They don't have lines on the field because George Mason University has a football game the same day.
    • They are much further along in getting their stadium built. There is no doubt that they will get theirs before we get ours. We can see by their situation, it is not easy to do in any big city, but there are lots of public records that show real progress on their end. All we have is the word of the Krafts who inist that they are "trying"
    • They have a larger non-playing staff than we do, although Wahl says that they have reduced this. Also, DC United employees only work for the soccer club, and not the Wizards, Nats, Caps or Skins
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    This is one of those things that many here seem to take as a fact, but which I think was just based on their statement that they want "support" from a town/local govt. Support doesn't necessarily mean subsidize the cost of building the stadium, which I think is how many people read that line. The Krafts, and the Sox, have tried to push through building a stadium in a place where the local people didn't want it, and got nowhere, so I think "support" could easily mean just a place that shows it wants the stadium.

    And no I'm not saying I'm sure nobody else could have gotten a stadium done either, I don't know, but I know that getting new stadiums here isn't easy, and unless I missed it, I don't know that they've said, on or off the record, that they will only do it if they get a municipality to pay for a significant part of building it.
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    They certainly haven't said that publicly and I'd be shocked if they said so privately. That's just an assumption some people are leaping to.
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    box goals came up I think ...we got those (Merry Christmas revs fans...)
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    If it's support from places that want the stadium - they've got Revere AND Somerville.
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    Revere kind of, but I believe it's contingent on how the casino thing goes, right? As for Somerville, that's the spot that everybody would like to see happen, but I don't think the city govt itself has shown a whole lot of interest, has it? I thought the mayor said he was hoping for an office park or something.
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    Some pertinent excerpts from the March 29, 2011 edition of The Boston Globe...
    Revolution are on lookout; Site for soccer specific facility is team's focus
    By Frank Dell'Apa
    Is anyone going to argue that Mr. Dell'Apa simply created out of whole cloth this impression of a Revolution and/or Major League Soccer desire for "financial aid from a municipality" in support of a soccer-specific stadium project for New England's MLS franchise?

    If all the "support" the Krafts require from a host-municipality for a Revolution soccer-specific facility is that said city simply "shows it wants the stadium", why would the financial downturn readjusting such a community's priorities come into play? After all, if the city doesn't have to make any sort of financial contribution to the project, what does the financial downturn have to do with anything?

    That sure sounds like the Major League Soccer commissioner is expecting a host-municipality for a New England Revolution soccer-specific stadium to make some sort of investment in the development of said project beyond simply expressing a willingness to have the facility built within its boundaries.

    Again, is anyone willing to argue that this is simply a personal opinion of Mr. Dell'Apa's that he opted to insert into the piece? Or, is it more likely that just such a solution was alluded to by either Jonathan Kraft or Don Garber during the course of Mr. Dell'Apa's interviews of them?

    More recently, there are these comments from Don Garber at the MLS Super Draft...
    So, the Krafts "recognize... [they] have to get a stadium deal done", but "privately financing a soccer stadium when they have a privately financed stadium up the road" - Gillette - is "not optimum". It seems pretty apparent that the "good business decision" that the Krafts have to make going forward with a soccer-specific stadium plan for the Revolution is to get some other party to pony-up a portion of the development costs for such a facility.

    Look, there's no way in Hell I think any major-professional sports franchise is going to get the Commonwealth of Massachusetts or a Bay State municipality to put money into the actual nuts-and-bolts construction of a ballpark/stadium/arena. I would hope that the Krafts and Garber are also smart enough to recognize that's the case.

    That being said, insofar as developing a soccer-specific stadium for the New England Revolution is concerned, it seems that the Krafts and Garber are hoping, at the very least, to convince a municipality to cut the Revolution a sweetheart deal on land acquisition costs and infrastructure improvements surrounding the facility.

    I truly believe that the only way the Krafts are going to be able to stomach footing-the-bill for such a stadium's construction is if they can get a community to give them the land outright, sell it to them for a deeply discounted price, or lease it to them for a nominal annual fee. As for infrastructure costs, I'm sure the Krafts are hoping that they won't have to pay a public partner back for said improvements as they've had to reimburse the Commonwealth of Massachusetts for the work that was done surrounding Gillette Stadium.

    And I'm willing to bet that THAT is the stumbling block in the development of a soccer-specific stadium for the New England Revolution. Despite the likes of Boston, Somerville and Revere being willing to sit down and enter into discussions regarding the possibility of playing host to a soccer-specific stadium for the Revolution, it seems pretty obvious that such communities are balking at whatever portion of a public-private partnership the Krafts have, to date, asked them to shoulder.

    After all, if this were simply a question of a municipality having to say, "Sure... come on in. We'll sell/lease you a stadium-sized plot of land for market-rates and provide your new facility with market-rate utility hook-ups and infrastructure improvements," than ground would have been broken on this project by now.
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    The Mayor of Sommerville has spoken out publicly in favor of a stadium on a few occasions, so there is more to it than that. Obviously if this stadium project involves the City shelling out money that voters perceive could be used for schools, fire, police, roads or whatever, that is going to be a much tougher sell for any mayor, no matter how much he might want to see it happen.

    Maybe the Krafts are not holding out their hands looking for public funding. Maybe they are willing to foot the majority of the costs for the project that will generate significant income for them. Maybe they just want better roads and off-ramps, maybe a parking garage, new sidewalks or whatever. So why haven't there been any public hearings about this? Why has it taken so long from the mid-00s when this first came up? Why have the only statements the Krafts have made always involve "it has to be the right situation?"

    Since no one has ever elaborated on the definition of the "right" situation, how can you blame people for thinking it involves some level of public funding?

    EDIT: Brian beat me to it.

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