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Health Care Reform Part III: The Implementation.

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  1. argentine soccer fan

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  2. crazypete13

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    First page!

    This is where I laugh and point out I have no idea what a copay is, I gots me a provincial health card that gets me all the healthcare I need and I've never once had to change insurers from OHIP.
     
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    OTOH you have to live under socialism's iron heel while staring across the border at the land of the free. Must be awful.:barefoot:
     
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    Every Canuck I’ve ever met agrees, the Canadian system is awesome... until you get sick.
     


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    Brace yourselves for all the freedom lovers that will move north escaping from the tyranny of Obamacare!!!!
     
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    Sounds like the American system, except ours costs more.

    Anyway, first page, indeed.
     
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    It's November 15th and Ted Cruz is looking a lot better than he did about 3 weeks ago.
     
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    My wife says that Canadian healthcare is good unless you really need something, in which case you need to go private and pay for it. That's not direct, it's coming from her Mom's friends in Toronto.
     
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    Eh no.
     
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    Cruz/Palin 2016
     
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    So Obama makes a new promise (actually the old promise) and has yet to discuss it with insurance executives? Does this Administration have any clue how the real world works?
     
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    The CEOs will do what he wants, or Obama will uncover their sins using NSA evidence and stick 'em in Gitmo.
     
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    He got lucky that his effort was thwarted, otherwise he would get blame for this fiasco. The ball was already rolling with the cancelled policies and his attempt to stop ObamaCare was too late.
     
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    Oh the irony!!!
     
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    He will try to strong arm them but it is too late. Already a few state insurance agencies have said no. Insurance is very complicated. The only thing the insurance industry could offer at this point is to sell the exchange policies directly. That will be a task as well at this point of time.
     
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    Two weeks of nonsense that distracted America from the real issue... this ACA law is a complete disaster. Obama welcomed the shutdown.
     
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    You do realize that the law as written makes sense, right? The shoddy cheapo insurance policies need to go.
     
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    More than that, his political hacks made it happen.
     
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    The law as written was to impose values that the liberals want to force on all Americans. We were told all along that the intent was to provide coverage for those who could not afford insurance. This under the disguise of affordable healthcare. We got neither. Most who purchased insurance in the individual market got more than adequate coverage. The so called cheapo policies were mostly catastrophic ones. The policies offered through the exchange provides coverage that most will not use with the intent to bring in revenues to pay for this program. It is a Ponzi scheme that would make old Carlo smile.
     
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    The law has been in effect for over three years. This "complete disaster" of a law has eliminated insurers from being able to refuse coverage to people (including infants) for pre-existing conditions; allows parents to keep their kids on their insurance until 26; has killed off the egregious practice of rescission; and done a host of other good things. Things that people, when asked, overwhelmingly like.

    Make no mistake, the exchange website roll-out has been a cluster********. I also feel that the administration underestimated the manner in which for-profit entities could manipulate the new system in order to try and trick the gullible into buying high-cost policies. Not that I have any idea what could have been done about that (it's a fairly deep-rooted tradition in this country).

    This transition to a new system where people without coverage through their employers work toward having better, hopefully less costly (for what you get) coverage is going to be a bitch. The central problem we still have is that only one party gives a shit about this situation. This law is going to need to be tweaked, improved. Any law of substance needs that sort of treatment, based on real-life experiences in implementing it. Trouble is, I can't see the GOP doing anything whatsoever to improve the law. They want it dead. Period. Which would mean tossing people off of Medicare, allowing insurance companies to reinstate the policies of the past, etc.
     
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    It makes so much sense that the president just agreed to a solution that guarantees its' failure.
     
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    Yes, let's tweak a law that is nearly 3,000 pages long supplemented by regulations that exceed 10,000.
     
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    Sounds like Cuba.

    But I am sure Canadian healthcare covers a few more things than the Cuban does.
     
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    This is all cost, we need to pay for this shit, that is what the mandate is supposed to do, that part is not working so far (still way too early to call this part a failure, but it is not a good start for sure).

     
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