1. Save 40-80% on great soccer jerseys. Shop today at BigSoccer Shop!

Id2 recommendation ?

Discussion in 'Youth & HS Soccer' started by marjen, Dec 22, 2012.

Moderators: bigredfutbol
  1. marjen

    marjen Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2011
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Hey everyone, just wondering if anyone know anything about the Nike id2 camp identification process. We got an email saying my daughter was recommended to the program. Does that actually mean anything or are thousands of kids recommended? I don't know much about id2. Thanks for any info.
     


  2. poprox

    poprox Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2012
    Club:
    Coritiba FBC
    theuppermiddlegame repped this.
  3. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2012
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I am very suspicious of things like this. It started 8 whole years ago :) who recommended her if they don't say who and you don't know them. I would not trust it especially if it is going to cost you money.
     
  4. poprox

    poprox Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2012
    Club:
    Coritiba FBC
    The only cost involved is to get your kid to the camp and then US Club Soccer and Nike pick up all expenses. There will be US National Teams scouts at all sessions and also your kid maybe selected to represent US Soccer on a International trip or included in the National Team, Not to shabby in my eyes.
     


  5. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2012
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    What age groups do these scouts cover. I knew the under 14 coach of the national team. They had no scouts he found the players that were outside ODP.
     
  6. UofIneedssoccer

    UofIneedssoccer Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2009
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    My son went to two of them it was great . For the money which is free, was the best deal that you will ever get in soccer.
     
  7. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Just curious....where does the money come from for this program if the parents don't have to pay for it?
     
  8. UofIneedssoccer

    UofIneedssoccer Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2009
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    Not sure I would speculate Nike which passed out loads of free clothes and I would say US Club.
     
  9. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2012
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    When Adidas sponsers something they pay for everything
     
  10. theuppermiddlegame

    theuppermiddlegame New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Let me give you a first hand perspective of ID2. My Son just attended the all paid for camp in Casa Grande, Arizona this past December. He was in attendance with some of the best kids in the country. Many kids from the National team were also in attendance as well as coaches from the National team staff. From the boys side the program is run by Gerry Mckeown. He is the DOC of PDA and a total pro. I can see this guy being a national team coach in no time if US soccer new what was good for them. All I can give you is a biased parental opinion. I will say this program is top notch! Very professional and very inclusive. US Club will take anyone that shows up to tryout and has the skill to make the cut. That speaks volumes. Also another flagship of this program is that they are very in tune with the developmental side of kids this age. While I will say that they are not quite ready to make the leap of faith in kids that have not hit puberty yet for their international tour... they do at least bring them to the camp and keep them on the radar. One of its mission statements is that they look for technique over all other things including physicality. However I do believe that even though this program is taking a huge leap with regards to identification and selection... this is still the USA and our mentality of bigger, stronger... finds a way to permeate the ID process. But they are trying. If your child was asked to attend any of these camps or tryouts... I would jump on it immediately. Other than the cost of getting to the camps... everything else is free including tons of ID2 uniforms, socks, bags, sweaters. The staff that puts the program on from US Club is totally professional and like I said before... top notch. Also,,, you want to include your soccer player in environments like this. One of the things that programs like this and the national team looks for is confidence. You want your player to arrive at a camp like this and be comfortable. Exposing them to the best players and letting them realize that they can hang is soooo important. Whether they make a further cut is less important if they realize that just making it to that level is really really good. Hope that helps.
     
  11. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    What is your experience with other programs? How familiar are you with professional youth programs? How many of them are there in US? Just asking in order to judge the validity of your strong opinion of the id2. There are some very strong words in your post....I've highlighted them.
     
  12. up nort futbol

    up nort futbol New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2012
    Yonko,

    When comparing ID2 to ODP, (ID2 was created by US Club to compete with ODP) there is one major positive of ID2. It does pay for all player costs other than transport to the camp, this includes international travel costs if selected for the trip. Regardless of opinions on which provides better training, path to the national team, etc. the fact that ID2 costs are not the player's responsibility makes it currently superior to the ODP program in my opinion. With ODP, unless you can find an individual sponsorship the player/players family is out over $800 just to attend the regional camp, the costs continue to mount if selected to a regional team. USYS uses ODP at the state and regional level as a fund raising program. In my state over 1/2 the kids that sign up for ODP make a state pool. Not because they are talented enough to make it to regionals but because the state association can make more money.

    That said, like ODP, ID2 has many flaws. 1) How will it remain funded if Nike does not see the return on investment 2) On the girls side it is essentially an ECNL selection pool for the ID2 camp pool, (not sure on the boys side how wide the net is cast), 3) The formation of the ID2 program did more to fracture the US youth soccer landscape than unify it.
     
  13. up nort futbol

    up nort futbol New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2012
    Yonko,

    When comparing ID2 to ODP, (ID2 was created by US Club to compete with ODP) there is one major positive of ID2. It does pay for all player costs other than transport to the camp, this includes international travel costs if selected for the trip. Regardless of opinions on which provides better training, path to the national team, etc. the fact that ID2 costs are not the player's responsibility makes it currently superior to the ODP program in my opinion. With ODP, unless you can find an individual sponsorship the player/players family is out over $800 just to attend the regional camp, the costs continue to mount if selected to a regional team. USYS uses ODP at the state and regional level as a fund raising program. In my state over 1/2 the kids that sign up for ODP make a state pool. Not because they are talented enough to make it to regionals but because the state association can make more money.

    That said, like ODP, ID2 has many flaws. 1) How will it remain funded if Nike does not see the return on investment 2) On the girls side it is essentially an ECNL selection pool for the ID2 camp pool, (not sure on the boys side how wide the net is cast), 3) The formation of the ID2 program did more to fracture the US youth soccer landscape than unify it.
     
  14. theuppermiddlegame

    theuppermiddlegame New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    My Son has done ODP state team, Player Development Program, and MLS academy, and National Training Centers. I have been to all of these sessions. I think the post above highlights one of the best aspect of the ID2 program being that its cost to the player are kept at a minimum. Like I said before though... its only my opinion. I will say that I do not have the greatest soccer IQ, however I do feel that when it comes to the developmental programs offered to players of this age at a high level... I feel like I have had a pretty good look.
     
  15. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    My opinion of ODP has never been positive. And I'm already aware of the financial differences between ODP and id2. I'm still in the process in figuring out how much better is the training and coaching in id2 compared to other programs (besides ODP).
    The association between cost and quality is interesting. Some people think the higher the cost, the better the quality must be. Others prefer the lower the cost, the better the value.
    I recently discovered that two coaches from close to my area are involved at some capacity with running some parts of the id2 process and I don't have a high opinion of them (these coaches). So it has made me a little suspicious, to be honest.
     
  16. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Would you say then that the level of coaching/training at id2 is better than at the other programs your son has been involved with?
     
  17. bernardo007

    bernardo007 New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2012
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Hey!! guys i have a question. do you guys know anything about the tryouts in New York Red Bulls , but i´m 16 years old , i´m from Portugal and i really like to know. Because in the next summer i ll go to new jersey on vacation and i would like to try. And im tired of looking and cant find anything. I need help. I would be grateful.
     
  18. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2012
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    You need to find out when they are having their open tryout. There are most probably 2 a year. You can find out when and contact people by calling the USSF in Chicago. Il.

    Then you send them your player ressume. Help that helps.
     
  19. theuppermiddlegame

    theuppermiddlegame New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    y.o.n.k.o... I would say from my own perspective that they are one in the same. Not much difference other than ID2 tends to include the late bloomers a bit more with regards to the camps. s a matter of fact coaches from both ID2 and US Soccer both attend and take part in the sessions. As far as quality of the sessions... The drills are very demanding and so are the coaches plus they are playing with some of the best kids in the country so that pushes them to there limits.
     
  20. bernardo007

    bernardo007 New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2012
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    I have to call ? i thought it was like for example.. Here in Portugal when lack about 1 month to start the season they open the tryouts every year. and it is in the end of july
    and during the season they are open also .
    So i thought in the red bulls was the same thing. but i need to know is, when they begin the season if is in january february etc.. and as i'm in portugal is more dificult to see and get the news. So maybe you can tell me more specifically , i know i'm asking to much but if you can not find anything it´s ok, no problem man. i have to keep looking for.
     
  21. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2012
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I will find out everything you need to know, but today is new years eve and tomorrow is new years day. So I will post it jan 2 on tuesday ok.
     
    jeremys_dad repped this.
  22. bernardo007

    bernardo007 New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2012
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Ok thank you very much . And New happy year . Best Regards
     
  23. bernardo007

    bernardo007 New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2012
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Are you there ??
     
  24. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2012
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I have been in contact with the Red Bulls technical director Richardo Campos he will send me an email with all the particulars. He has not done that as yet. When he does I will get it to you
     
  25. bernardo007

    bernardo007 New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2012
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Thank yoy very much really.
     
Moderators: bigredfutbol

Share This Page