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Iniesta Vs Fabregas

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by the one and only, Jan 18, 2013.

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  1. the one and only

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    Ok i'm pretty sure that most will agree that both players will probably walk into any midfied today, but i want to see your views on who's better of the 2 on these aspects of their game, who's :

    More Decisive (assists, eye for key passes, better goal scorer)
    The More Versatile Player
    Better Dribbler

    I think Iniesta (and Xavi) is much better than Cesc at controlling the midfield, i personally prefer Iniesta's style of play. He's the better dribbler and i think almost everybody will agree on that, but i think Fabregas is the more versatile and the more decisive player. While Cesc had a CM formation, he's better offensively than Iniesta imo.
    So how do you rate them???
     


  2. MrSoccerplayer

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    With all due respect to Cesc, he is a good player, but comparing him to Iniesta is an insult to Iniesta himself.
    Cesc is a well rounded player who has many decent or good qualities going for him, but Iniesta just has some qualities that are extraordinary and out of this world.
    Cesc can easily be shut down but how do you shut down Iniesta? At his best he is unplayable, and I would probably rate him the 2nd best player in the world when he is at his best.
    One thing with Iniesta however is that he is inconsistent, sometimes he is not so good alltho still very good compared to normal players.. while sometimes he is on that insane god mode level where only Messi can compare.

     
  3. Lucas Gomes

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    Iniesta is much better... and HeilRJ. :)
     
  4. Bada Bing

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    More Decisive - Iniesta
    Passing - Draw
    Goal Scoring - Fabregas
    The More Versatile Player - Fabregas
    Better Dribbler - Iniesta
     


  5. the one and only

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    I agree with all of these except for the more decisive assessement. To me, a more decisive player is the player more likely to score or deliver that killer pass, Iniesta has had few of those moments but i think Cesc is more likely to produce those decisive moments.
    In the WC10 final, Iniesta scored the goal but the pass wass from Cesc
    During the EC12 against Croatia, Iniesta gave the assist to Navas after a well timed run he made, but what really opened the whole Croatian defence was Cesc's pass to Iniesta.
    Imo, the "More Decisive" debate is a draw at best.
     
  6. the one and only

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    Huh??? who???
    and "much better" is an exagerration when talking about these 2 players
     
  7. Lucas Gomes

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    Truth... my exaggeration. But Iniesta is better for me.

    And HeilRJ is the YouTube channel of the video posted up there the skills of Iniesta. He makes several videos of Barcelona, Messi and Ronaldinho. ;)
     
  8. Bada Bing

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    Yeah, possibly, I just had the obvious Iniesta clutch performance's in my mind, but all in all decisive could be also draw.
     
  9. JamesBH11

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    Totally agree with you. Cecs scored more goals and more assists for different clubs different teams than the Iniesta ever did = more decisive player obviously

    One should say ... Iniesta was showing as big game player than Cecs (at least in 2 games WC10 final and Euro 08 semi) Other than that ... they are both very SAME CLASS and LEVEL.

    Saying INisesta was "MUCH" better (than Cecs) is likely to OVERRATE him - per se ...

    Look Whoscored rated Iniesta as #40 ( :eek: ) , Ceces #29 ... until now - YET his name popped up in TOP3 best (LOL)
     
  10. y.o.n.k.o

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    Fixed....
    I think it is more decisive to score the winning goal in the WC10 final. Sure, Cesc deserves credit for his assist, but Iniesta ups it by scoring the goal, in terms of decisiveness.
    Also, direct assist accompanied with a good run is more decisive than a hockey assist.
    Moreover, along with that winning goal in the WC10 final, Iniesta has had one other major decisive moment when scoring against Chelsea in CL 1/2 final 2nd leg. Fabregas has had neither of those moments, especially at such magnitude.
    No disrespect to Cesc of course, but Iniesta is just the better player.
     
  11. tadm123

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    ^completely agree.

    Iniesta is better at everything except at finishing, there really is no contest.
     
  12. Bada Bing

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    Not really...

    - How is Iniesta better passer when their passing stats are pretty similar from time in Barca, and Fabregas has more assists despite being 3 years younger? Also I think I've actually seen more ridiculous passes from Fabregas. Iniesta is more in touch with Barcelona with his passing, but that has more to do with familiarity than quality.

    - How is Iniesta more versatile, when Fabregas can play any position from midfielder to attacker and is better defensively, where as Iniesta can pretty much only play as attacking midfielder and creative forward?

    For me Iniesta is better player, just, but not because these attributes.
     
  13. MrSoccerplayer

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    James proving his football knowledge yet again, spiting out ridicilous things like who scored and assisted more which is supposedly a meassure for which player is better.
    James you really have no clue bro, honestly.
     
  14. the one and only

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    What??? The only thing is Iniesta's clearly better at is dribbling.
     
  15. the one and only

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    I don't think i agree with this because if you watch that goal again Cesc eliminated 3 players with his pass to Iniesta who found himself directly in front of the goal keeper
     
  16. MrSoccerplayer

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    You probably don't even watch them play, obviously, just stop embarassing urself.

    Iniesta is clearly better at everything the OP posted apart from scoring.

    If anything passing is quite close, but the rest there is really no contest.
     
  17. JamesBH11

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    Yeah right ,,, I did not base on Whoscore per se, just highly that "some system" viewed Iniesta NOT AS GOOD as some here worshiped him THAT"S ALL . However those STATS are somehwat 90% true, not so "ridiculous" like you claimed (just because it reflect the sad truth of your favorites)

    My point: it;s OK to say INiesta is better player than Cecs but by a HAIR LINE. so much exaggeration due to clueless points and strictly "media" bias.
     
  18. Pekerman

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    cesc is a bigger talent than iniesta ever was.
    watching barcelona for this long I am still dumbfounded at the attention iniesta gets. Last game for example he practically did nothing but the announcers were on his nuts
     
  19. the one and only

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    You're the one obviously trying to embarass yourself cause if you had checked well, you'ld have nptoced i started the thread and that i stated that i prefered Iniesta's style of play.
     
  20. tadm123

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    Are you serious? Iniesta was Barcelona's best player last game. He and to a degree Busquets carried the team with just 10 men, lol.

    To me Iniesta is already one of the best midfielders in history.
    The fact that there's this thread is dumbfounding to me, but well guess it's for the sake of discussion.

    Posting in a tablet is really a pain in the ass.
    Awareness and ability to work in tight spaces should also be counted, that's fundamental for Barcelona.

    Iniesta is amazing at dealing with pressure from the opposition and keeping possesion because of his awareness of what's going on around him and his ability to anticipate plays, Cesc just isn't at that level yet, he doesn't deal with pressure as well as Iniesta and ends up losign the ball many more times too
     
  21. JamesBH11

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    Well, we dont compare players by 1 or a few games (but overall) - like one could also pinpoint Cecs was man of match in many games from Arsenal to early Barca season games

    2nd bold ... well yes but because Iniesta put his name in some big games (that Cecs lacked off - being on bench)

    Last bold- Agree 100%. In pure talent, Iniesta was a bit better (close control and dribble) but what separate them is at big games (WC and Euro) - Cecs often got lost under pressure.
     
  22. tadm123

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    Posting in a tablet is really a pain in the ass, gotta edit again.

    I meant dealing with intense pressure from players when you're on the game. When you have the ball, players will come at you and put pressure to try and take it away. Iniesta always find a solution even under tight small spaces, always the right move, the right pass, the right faint in a matter of a seconds, almost like a reaction, keeping your head up to scan the field always, having excellent control,skill on the ball and awareness of what's going on around you.
    Similarly to Xavi, that's what makes him stand out and what makes Barcelona possession system works.

    Cesc just isn't at that level yet, I've seen lots of games where he loses the ball because he doesn't know how to deal with being pressured as good as the former players.
    I don't know if I'm even making sense heh.
     
  23. the one and only

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    I agree with your post, but everything you talked about here falls in the category of "controlling the midfield" which i already said Iniesta (and Xavi) is the best at doing, and Iniesta does this with his dribbling skills which is fare superior to Cesc's. But does that also make him a more DECISIVE player than Fabreags??? a BETTER PASSER??? a more VERSATILE player??? I don't think so imo.
     
  24. the one and only

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    Imo i can't remember Cesc ever being lost under pressure in a big game when playing for the NT, neither has Iniesta too by the way. IMO, they're both big game players who contribute in different ways.

    I also think they're very complimentary together. Cesc's only issue imo is his lack of pace, but even with that, he's still very smart in his runs when going foward that he often seems to be out pacing defenders that are naturally faster than him.
     
  25. JamesBH11

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    You're right .... I should be clear that Cecs was caught a bit off form during some big games *at EPL/UCL .... when he was supposed a "main figure" in MF
    At NT, he was playing more like a FW, and often got Xavi, Iniesta and Xabi besides/behind to back him up
     
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