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Iniesta Vs Fabregas

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by the one and only, Jan 18, 2013.

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  1. jus2nang

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    Wow, Cesc has been terribly underrated by a few people here.

    Iniesta is the better overall player, yes. But Cesc is a better goalscorer and has a better final ball as well as a better range of passing altogether. I'd also say Cesc is better per age (as in the 22 year old Cesc was better than the 22 year old Iniesta). The biggest difference in my opinion is dribbling, where Iniesta clearly floors Cesc.
    Iniesta has better overall technique and is more suited to Barca's tiki-taka, but if I'm looking for someone to put the ball at the striker's feet from anywhere on the pitch, it's Fabregas hands down.
     


  2. y.o.n.k.o

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    Who has been more decisive for the success of Spain and Barca, Iniesta or Fabregas?

    And you are the last person to talk to me about English language.....

    We have to make sure we distinguish between "finishing" and "scoring". Iniesta scores less, but his actual finishing ability is pretty good.

    No, Cesc can't play wide. The ability to play wide, in addition to playing centrally, adds to the versatility of the player. Fabregas is not better attacker nor is he better defensively.
     
  3. y.o.n.k.o

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    You need to watch some more of Iniesta and more carefully, because he has played some amazing through balls/final balls to his teammates.
     
  4. jus2nang

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    He has yes, there's no denying that. But Cesc is better at it in my opinion. he does it more regularly.
     


  5. the one and only

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    For Spain, Villa, Xavi and to a lesser extent Fabregas and Silva have all been as or more "DECISIVE" than Iniesta for Spain 08-12. Iniesta's greatest moment for Spain came from a Cesc pass as has been said a lot in this thread already.
    In their Barca career, we can only judge from last season till present, Cesc has scored more goals and had more Assists than Iniesta so one will be inclined to say Cesc has been more DECISIVE so far.

    Iniesta & Cesc are not wide players like Di Maria, Ribbery and to a lesser extent Robben and CR7 (and few others) who not only always come inside to shoot or pass the ball, but often or occasionally actually put in crosses. Iniesta gets the ball wide sometimes dribbles one or two players and then comes in the middle to pass the ball or passes to Jordi Alba who actually puts in the crosses, the same goes for Cesc when he's positionned wide.

    How's Fabregas not a better attacker when he gets himself in scoring positions better than Iniesta does and actually scores more goals than Iniesta though??? And from what i see (i don't know if there're stats to confirm it), i also think Cesc is a better defender.
     
  6. the one and only

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    I didn't even realize that this aspect of their games was also up for discussion, i thought it was widely accepted that Cesc had a better long range passing ability...
     
  7. BocaFan

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    Not sure I understand this. It's not like Iniesta doesn't get opportunities to score. He plays either forward or attacking midfielder for the best NT and best club in the world. Lots of opportunities + not many goals = poor finisher. What am I missing?
     
  8. Bada Bing

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    Fabregas can play wide, that's why he drifts there, he drifts pretty much all over the pitch. Fabregas is better attacker, and he's better defensively.
     
  9. MrSoccerplayer

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    Saying that won't make it true.
     
  10. Bada Bing

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    Say it to yourself and Yonko.
     
  11. MrSoccerplayer

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    That doesn't even make sense bro.
     
  12. y.o.n.k.o

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    I'll just have to disagree with both of you then and leave it at that.
     
  13. y.o.n.k.o

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    So Iniesta scores the biggest goal in Spain's footballing history and you say Fabregas has been more decisive?
    How many of Cesc's goals have been decisive for Barca?
    Wide players like Di Maria, Ribbery, Robben and CR7 all cut inside from their wide positions. That's how modern wide players play these days. Iniesta is very much a wide player when he plays as LW. Majority of his playing time for Spain, especially in big tournaments has been in wide positions.
    Attacking-wise Fabregas has better off the ball movement into the box, but Iniesta is better at penetrating with his dribbling.
     
  14. y.o.n.k.o

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    Right, when Iniesta gets into scoring positions he often prefers to pass rather than finishing himself. In terms of that, Fabregas is more selfish player, in a good sense. He is more eager to shoot and score. But in terms of actual finishing ability both players are pretty even.
     
  15. Bada Bing

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    2011-2013 League goals/shots

    Fabregas 15/71
    Iniesta 3/70
     
  16. y.o.n.k.o

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    Do you ever watch games or just look at stat sheets?
     
  17. Bada Bing

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    Yes, and that's why I find you comments rather peculiar. You mean they both didn't have the same amount of shots for Fabregas to score 5 times the goals? Stats are just the way to confirm what you see. Yes Iniesta sometimes scores a wonderful goal when he hits it right, but Fabregas is just more effective with his finishing. There is really no debate in this.

    Do you really watch Barcelona play?
     
  18. JamesBH11

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    I don;t see where you got ground for your claim - so faulty in definition and logics in any sense.

    In brief: Iniesta is a better well rounded AM for the team, whikle Cecs is surely a more decisive player and better attacker than Iniesta could be PERIOD

    You might have chosen Iniesta and it's fine choice. But saying Iniesta is a more "decisive player" is LAUGHABLE *with hardly few goals to a dozen max a season?
     
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    I vote Fabregas.

    Iniesta is great too, I just think Fabregas can do all Iniesta can + he adds a big goal scoring threat.

    It's almost unfair how Barca have all these great midfielders at their disposal. :ninja:
     
  20. MrSoccerplayer

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    Whats LAUGHABLE is that you think Cesc is a more decisive player, you seriously are very limited in ur knowledge of soccer if you claim that because someone is a better finisher he is more decisive, or maybe the definition of decisive is just different from what it actually is.
    But in any case, if you could pick one player in your team Iniesta or Cesc, who would you pick? I know I would pick Iniesta.
    Because even if Cesc is a better finisher (which he is, I agree with that, dunno why yonko keeps saying otherwise because its not true at all), he has to get in a position to score first.
    Now while both Cesc and Iniesta are world class players, how many times was Cesc quiet in a big match? How many times was he marked out of the game? The answer is quite a few times, because he can be marked out of the game, now with Barca its much more difficult to do that since you have Messi to watch for, and Xavi and Iniesta and the whole freaking team, but some really big teams might be able to mark most players out by very strict defensive tactics, basically not only marking them out but making them very ineffective.
    They can do that to pretty much every player.... every player except Iniesta, and Messi aswell.
    They are simply unmarkable and can do something out of nothing, or dribble in tight spaces and open up teams where it seems impossible to set up scoring chances for themself or their teammates.
    So while Cesc may be a more well rounded player in the sense he can do everything well, Iniesta is a more dangerous player, the player you can never stop worrying about or be sure u made him quiet as he can make something out of nothing and then suddenly you receive a goal.
    Who made something happen most of the times when Barca was struggling with a parked bus? Iniesta.
    And thats why Iniesta is the player id much rather have in my team.
     
  21. Rana catesbeiana

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    Iniesta "more decisive" than Cesc a laughable idea? Gimme a break.
     
  22. the one and only

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    It's not "laughable", but it's not true...
     
  23. the one and only

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    And if you're dribbling players and controlling the midfield, but rarely getting yourself in positions to score, rarely scoring and not often assisting, how're you more DECISIVE than the other player who's actually doing those things???

    Depends on what position you want to play them, but most importantly, what system. In a system based essentially on possession football (Barca & Spain NT) where i want my midfielder to control the midfield and not much else (assist and score very occasionally), i'll pick Iniesta over Cesc in the midfield position cause like i said in the 1st post, Iniesta (along with Xavi & Busquets) is better than any other player (bar Xavi) in controlling the midfield (which he does with his dribbling skills). But that's where the Cesc's versatility comes in play, he doesn't need to play in the middle to be DECISIVE and coaches know that, which is why they often try him out in different positions because he knows how to make those runs inside the box and get himself in goal scoring situations and he has the eye for killer passes at the right time which often turns into assists.

    Not only does Cesc get in those positions often, he also puts other players in those positions.

    This is a good question that i'll also like you to answer cause i can't remember Cesc dissapearing in a big game for Spain NT or Barca (the competition won't be faire to Iniesta if i add Arsenal since Cesc proved he was worldclass there, so lets just talk about the 2 teams they've both played for)...


    The whole Barca team participates in this proccess you're talking about with their passing game,offcourse Iniesta & Messi during this games try to dribble in tight spaces but more often it's often a genius Messi move or the team's quick passing games and runs that break the other team's defence, not Iniesta's dribbles.


    I think you're talking about Messi here :)
     
  24. y.o.n.k.o

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    The most laughable person is you with your pseudo-knowledge about football. Learn some English and how to write first, then come back and debate here about football.

    Fabregas can only dream to have the huge decisive moments in his career as Iniesta has had against Chelsea and Holland.
     
  25. y.o.n.k.o

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    If you need stat sheets for conformation of what you see, then your view is shortsighted. Yes, I really watch Barcelona and I've been doing it since 1990.

    FYI, finishing ability is not judged based on goals per shots ratio, but rather based on goals per goal scoring chances.
     
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