Inter Merda!!!!-Other Teams Thread [R]

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  1. Kqql

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    R.I.P. Morosini



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  2. Kqql

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    Calcioscommesse
    - Update April 17, 2012

    - Former G.K. of Napoli (Gianello) has stated to the prosecutor office he made attempt on behalf
    of the bettor/s to fix Sampdoria - Napoli game on May 16, 2010. In the dressing room he asked
    Paolo Cannavaro and Grava to fix the game, however both refused. If true players face 1 year ban
    and Napoli risk point/s deduction and no Europe.

    Code:
    - Reports from Italian media say following Clubs risk point/s deduction:
    Lazio, Genoa, Chievo, Cesena, Atalanta, Bologna, Novara, Udinese.
    - Lecce and Siena risk point/s deduction to relegation.
    FIGC and CONI will apply points deduction to 2011/2012 season.
    (Clubs where Executives, Director/s, Coaches are involved face relegation)
    - Likely bans for players and illegal bettors will be:
    a) 1 year ban for anyone who was asked to fix a game, refused but then
    failed to report it.
    b) 2 years ban for anyone who placed the bet but didn't play in the game.
    c) 5 year ban to player who agreed to fix the game and played in it. 
    
    - Lazio risk -7 points and no Europe.
    Under investigation are Ledsema, Mauri and Brocchi and the following 
    games from 2010/2011 season. 
    Lazio - Genoa 
    Lecce - Lazio 
    
    - Genoa risk -2 points 
    Under investigation are Milanetto, Dainelli and the following game 
    from 2010/2011 season. 
    Lazio - Genoa 
    
    Chievo risk -3 to -6 points
    Under investagtion are Pellissier, Luciano and the following games
    from 2010/2011 season. 
    Brescia - Chievo 
    Bari - Chievo
    Inter - Chievo 
    
    Cesena risk -3 points 
    Under investagtion is Marco Rossi and the following game from 
    2010/2011 season. 
    Cesena - Bari 
    
    -Atalanta risk another -7 points  
    Under investigation are the following games from 2010/2011 season.
    Atalanta - Piacenza 
    Ascoli - Atalanta 
    Padova - Atalanta
    * In August 2011 Atalanta were docked -6 points and Doni banned for 
    3.5 years from the game.
    
    - Bologna risk -2 points 
    Under investigation is the following game from 2010/2011 season. 
    Bologna - Bari 
    
    - Siena risk points and to relegation
    Under investagtion are the following games from 2010/2011 season
    and then assitant coach Stellini. 
    Siena - Atalanta
    Ascoli - Siena
    Ascoli - Siena
    Siena - Piacenza 
    Siena - Torino 
    Siena - Varese 
    Novara - Siena
    
    - Novara risk points
    Under investigation are the following games from 2010 Coppa Italia. 
    Chiero - Novara
    Novara - Cyrene 
    
    - Udinese risk points and no Europe
    Under investigation is the following game from 2009/2010 season. 
    Udinese - Bari 
    Chievo - Udinese 
    More details have merged that players involved to fix this game were 
    Parisi, Belmonte, Bonucci, Andrea Masiello and Salvatore Masiello. 
    Also, Pepe was offered a Ferrari but refused, however once he did join 
    Juve for 2010/2011 season he bought a Red Ferrari.
    * Bonucci denies he was involved or was asked.
    * Pepe risks 1 yr ban from the game.
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    Court wants to speak with current Juve coach-AC who then was incharge
    of Siena and on this game. 
    Siena - Sassuolo
    AC has come and denied he was contacted. 
     
    - Lecce risk -6 points to relegation
    Under investagtion are Covia, Benassi, Rosati, Ferrario, and the Director 
    of football and the following game from 2010/2011 season. 
    Bari - Lecce
    
    - Other games under investigation are
    AC Milan - Bari
    Bari - Chievo
    Bari - Roma
    Parma - Bari
    Sampdoria - Napoli 
    Napoli - Parma
    Parma - Napoli
    
    -Latest
    - 1st Mister X (Money Emissary) has been identified by Bari Prosecutor 
    office as Carlo Quarta who delivered €250k @ Hotel Tiziano in Lecce. 
    - 2nd Mr. X is likely overseas and non-Italian.
    - Also, Masiello 2 friends have now decided to offer full cooperation 
    to Bari's Prosecutor office. 
    - Chief Bari Prosecutor is working on his drossier and likely to work
    with Prosecutor's Office of Cremona.
    - By end of April, 2012 the first referrals from Prosecutor office will
    go to FIGC.
    [url=http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=afp-fbl_ita_betting_matchfixing_20120409"]
    "Players phoned me and said: '20,000 (euros) on this result', I did it
    because I trusted them," he said.
    "That doesn't happen in England but it does in Italy. The players
    make an agreement and then bet or sell their information. "Often it's 
    the directors of the clubs themselves who come to an agreement." 
    - sports-yahoo [/url]
    - Name of referee Roberto Bagalini has been mentioned by players. 
    - 75 games in Serie A/B are under investigation by Prosecutor offices
    in Cremona, Bari and Naples.
    - # of Clubs u/investigations; Serie A = 10/11; Serie B = 17
    - Chievo - Udinese game is now u/investigation that put Udinese in CL.
    - Stellini who was then assistant coach w/Siena is u/investigation.
    - Former G.K. of Napoli (Gianello) has stated to the prosecutor office 
    he made attempt on behalf of the bettor/s to fix Sampdoria - Napoli 
    game on May 16, 2010.  In the dressing room he asked Paolo Cannavaro 
    and Grava to fix the game, however both refused. If true players face
    1 year ban and Napoli risk point/s deduction and no Europe.
     
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  3. NickyViola

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    Players, plural. That would mean Cannavaro and Grava may be in trouble for what? Not reporting it?
  4. Kqql

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    You got it...

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  5. Il Ciuccio

    Il Ciuccio Moderator Staff Member

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    They said no though....such a punishment for something that didn't happen is ludicrous fine the club fine the players but doing all that banning a player for a year taking away points and no europe is a little over bored I mean they let Atalanta and Siena into the Serie A ! and only Atalanta got points deducted.
  6. Kqql

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    There is good chance Napoli will not risk point/s deduction as no one agreed to fix the game aka any team benefited.

    FIGC and CONI will apply points deduction to 2011/2012 season.
    (Clubs where Executives, Director/s, Coaches are involved face relegation)
    - Likely bans for players and illegal bettors will be:
    a) 1 year ban for anyone who was asked to fix a game, refused but then
    failed to report it.
    b) 2 years ban for anyone who placed the bet but didn't play in the game.
    c) 5 year ban to player who agreed to fix the game and played in it.

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  7. Il Ciuccio

    Il Ciuccio Moderator Staff Member

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    I see do you know if a banned player gets his contract terminated ? or will they be still on our books for the year ?
  8. Kqql

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    I assume if a player contract is longer then 1 year, then the player is allowed back after 1 year ...


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  9. Kqql

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    Calcioscommesse
    - Update April 18, 2012

    - Under investigation are the following games from 2009/2010/2011 seasons.
    Sampdoria - Napoli on May 16, 2010
    Napoli - Inter on May 15, 2011
    Lecce - Napoli in 2011
    * Gianello, the former G.K. of Napoli has stated to the prosecutor office he made attempt on behalf of the bettor/s to fix Sampdoria - Napoli game on May 16, 2010. In the dressing room he asked Paolo Cannavaro and Grava to fix the game, however both refused.
    * Also, Gianello has admitted to the prosecutor office that it is his voice on the wiretapes that has Ex-Chievo Player Cossato w/converstions with him and the bettors stating 9 to 11 players had agreed to fix the Napoli - Inter game; it was to end in a draw and ensure Inter finish #2, Napoli #3 and Napoli have straight passage to CL.
    * Mascara is under investigation for the Lecce - Napoli game.

    Code:
    * Summary of the main points from various Italian media reports on Calcioscommesse. 
    
    -Clubs that risk point/s deduction are:
    Lazio, Genoa, Chievo, Cesena, Atalanta, Bologna, Napoli, Novara, Udinese.
    
    -Clubs where Executives, Director/s, Coaches are involved face relegation.
    Lecce and Siena risk point/s deduction to relegation.
    
    * FIGC and CONI will apply points deduction to 2011/2012 season.
    - Likely bans for players and illegal bettors will be:
    a) 1 year ban for anyone who was asked to fix a game, refused but then
    failed to report it.
    b) 2 years ban for anyone who placed the bet but didn't play in the game.
    c) 5 year ban to player who agreed to fix the game and played in it. 
    
    - Lazio risk -7 points and no Europe.
    Under investigation are Ledsema, Mauri and Brocchi and the following 
    games from 2010/2011 season. 
    Lazio - Genoa 
    Lecce - Lazio 
    
    - Genoa risk -2 points 
    Under investigation are Milanetto, Dainelli and the following game 
    from 2010/2011 season. 
    Lazio - Genoa 
    
    Chievo risk -3 to -6 points
    Under investagtion are Pellissier, Luciano and the following games
    from 2010/2011 season. 
    Brescia - Chievo 
    Bari - Chievo
    Inter - Chievo 
    
    Cesena risk -3 points 
    Under investagtion is Marco Rossi and the following game from 
    2010/2011 season. 
    Cesena - Bari 
    
    -Atalanta risk another -7 points  
    Under investigation are the following games from 2010/2011 season.
    Atalanta - Piacenza 
    Ascoli - Atalanta 
    Padova - Atalanta
    * In August 2011 Atalanta were docked -6 points and Doni banned for 
    3.5 years from the game.
    
    - Bologna risk -2 points 
    Under investigation is the following game from 2010/2011 season. 
    Bologna - Bari 
    
    - Siena risk points and to relegation
    Under investagtion are the following games from 2010/2011 season
    and then assitant coach Stellini. 
    Siena - Atalanta
    Ascoli - Siena
    Ascoli - Siena
    Siena - Piacenza 
    Siena - Torino 
    Siena - Varese 
    Novara - Siena
    
    - Napoli risk point/s and no Europe 
    - Under investigation are the following games from 2009/2010/2011 seasons. 
    Sampdoria - Napoli on May 16, 2010
    Napoli - Inter on May 15, 2011
    Lecce - Napoli in 2011
    * Gianello, the former G.K. of Napoli has stated to the prosecutor 
    office he made attempt on behalf of the bettor/s to fix
    Sampdoria - Napoli game on May 16, 2010. In the dressing room he 
    asked Paolo Cannavaro and Grava to fix the game, however both refused. 
    * Also, Gianello has admitted to the prosecutor office that it is his 
    voice on the wiretapes that has Ex-Chievo Player Cossato w/converstions 
    with him and the bettors stating 9 to 11 players had agreed to fix the 
    Napoli - Inter  game; it was to end in a draw and ensure Inter finish #2, 
    Napoli #3 and Napoli have straight passage to CL.
    * Mascara is under investigation for the Lecce - Napoli game.
    
    - Novara risk points
    Under investigation are the following games from 2010 Coppa Italia. 
    Chiero - Novara
    Novara - Cyrene 
    
    - Udinese risk points and no Europe
    Under investigation is the following game from 2009/2010 season. 
    Udinese - Bari 
    Chievo - Udinese 
    More details have merged that players involved to fix this game were 
    Parisi, Belmonte, Bonucci, Andrea Masiello and Salvatore Masiello. 
    Also, Pepe was offered a Ferrari but refused, however once he did join 
    Juve for 2010/2011 season he bought a Red Ferrari.
    * Bonucci denies he was involved or was asked.
    * Pepe risks 1 yr ban from the game.
    + 
    Court wants to speak with current Juve coach-AC who then was incharge
    of Siena and on this game. 
    Siena - Sassuolo
    AC has come and denied he was contacted. 
     
    - Lecce risk -6 points to relegation
    Under investagtion are Covia, Benassi, Rosati, Ferrario, and the Director 
    of football and the following game from 2010/2011 season. 
    Bari - Lecce
    
    - Other games under investigation are
    AC Milan - Bari
    Bari - Chievo
    Bari - Roma
    Parma - Bari
    Napoli - Parma
    Parma - Napoli
    
    -Latest
    - 1st Mister X (Money Emissary) has been identified by Bari Prosecutor 
    office as Carlo Quarta who delivered €250k @ Hotel Tiziano in Lecce. 
    - 2nd Mr. X is likely overseas and non-Italian.
    - Also, Masiello 2 friends have now decided to offer full cooperation 
    to Bari's Prosecutor office. 
    - Chief Bari Prosecutor is working on his drossier and likely to work
    with Prosecutor's Office of Cremona.
    - By end of April, 2012 the first referrals from Prosecutor office will
    go to FIGC.
    [url=http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=afp-fbl_ita_betting_
    matchfixing_20120409"]
    "Players phoned me and said: '20,000 (euros) on this result', I did it
    because I trusted them," he said.
    "That doesn't happen in England but it does in Italy. The players
    make an agreement and then bet or sell their information. "Often it's 
    the directors of the clubs themselves who come to an agreement." 
    - sports-yahoo [/url]
    - Name of referee Roberto Bagalini has been mentioned by players. 
    - 75 games in Serie A/B are under investigation by Prosecutor offices
    in Cremona, Bari and Naples.
    - # of Clubs u/investigations; Serie A = 11; Serie B = 17
    - Chievo - Udinese game is now u/investigation that put Udinese in CL.
    - Stellini who was then assistant coach w/Siena is u/investigation.
     
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  10. NickyViola

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    Lame.
  11. canzano55

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    Where the hell did this shit come from?
  12. Il Ciuccio

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    This is starting to be to much right now im starting to think that they are just trying to run Napoli's name through the mud...
  13. Kqql

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    Yes you could be right...

    FIGC and CONI will apply points deduction to 2011/2012 season and FIGC have asked the Prosecutor offices in Bari, Cremona and Naples to send in the new referrals by end of April or Early May of 2012.

    So we shall know soon.......what was reported was true and what wasn't ...

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  14. scotholiday11

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    yeah thats dumb. I don't think I would report it if a team mate who I have known for years and am friends with asked to fix it. I would say no but I wouldn't report him I would just tell him he's a ********ing idiot for thinking about it..
  15. decola

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    i don't think i would either, but they should be reporting it, and it's good to see this kind of zero tolerance approach, otherwise this shit will never end
  16. Il Ciuccio

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    anyone got the season tables for last season speacificlay on the days of these games in question ?
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  18. Il Ciuccio

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  19. NickyViola

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    You wouldn't but they should? If I reported every buddy of mine who ever made an illegal proposition to me, I may as well have my own badge and Crown Victoria.
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    i haven't read the applicable law, but it may be one of those that imposes a duty to report. kind of like it's a crime to not report abuse if a school worker witnesses it or has a reason to suspect it. i see nothing wrong with banning these clowns if that's the law. by not speaking up, they're enabling it.

    the more i think about it, the worse it seems on the part of the guys who didn't report it. really, how do you not say something? your teammate asks you to help throw a game. even if you say no, your teammate is still throwing the game. how do you not say something to your coaches, principals, or the cops? you just keep playing and act like everything's ok knowing that your teammate is trying to lose the match?
  21. NickyViola

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    Well it was Gianelli, right? Was he even playing? I really doubt it.

    Even if there was a law saying I had to snitch him out, I wouldn't. I'd be much more likely to just kick his ass, to be honest.

    If a teammate came up to any of you in the locker room and said something like "would you ever throw a match if someone paid you x amount of money?" What would your response be? Mine certainly would not include a phone call to the police.
  22. stphnsn

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    kqql's post said the napoli/inter match has 9-11 players inplicated. that's more than the back up keeper.

    how would i handle it? i'd get my lawyer to make an anonymous report on my behalf or do whatever i can to make sure i keep from losing my livelihood. if knowingly failing to report is a crime, you have to do it.
  23. Il Ciuccio

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    That is alot of people i just dont see how this wasnt seen from the start if this really did happen.

    Also when Napoli and Genoa made a packed to tie their game so that they both would come back to Serie A why was there no big stink about that I mean in a way they did fix the match...
  24. decola

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    no i understand what you mean, i just mean like, in the context of the sport, especially one which has been fraught with betting scandals like this--which i think, beyond the betting itself, ruins it's legitimacy as well as makes people suspicious of results that might have had nothing to do with this kind of thing--it is necessary that they should be reporting these kinds of things, even if everyone, including myself, shares the natural inclination not to snitch on their colleagues.

    if we can agree that it's 'wrong' to throw games for money, being aware that a team mate might be throwing a game gives you some kind of obligation.

    i would also like to stress that there is a difference between illegal propositions IRL and illegal propositions within sport, following the rules of a sport seems necessary, otherwise it's no longer sport.
  25. stphnsn

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    i think this hits it on the head. there are a lot of things in life that people cheat at, and where it's almost expected: relationships, speed limits, taxes, etc. but when you're playing a game, you follow the rules. although here we're talking about big business, so really what makes football as an enterprise any different than the banks and investment firms? other than the fact that i'm not getting up early on saturday wearing my bank of america jersey to watch them play citibank.

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