Israel/Palestine in the News, Part IV

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  1. odessit19

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    My questions is whether Umar is also passing out candy ?


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    You do know what war is, do yer? You are aware it's not just a question of a lot of pushing and shoving followed by a nasty solicitor's letter?
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    Yeah, they should abandon their houses. I hear the skiing in Switzerland's good this time of year so maybe they can go there? :)
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    Having spent 6 Years in the US Military I am well aware of what war is. So I am sure that I won't hear any bitching from you about Israel hitting targets in Gaza right? I mean according to your post here everything is a target now right?
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    There are certainly similarities that are worth thinking about... namely that in Ireland a solution was found that most people could live with. The important phrase is "most people". There will always be those that don't accept Israel on one side, and those on the other who continue to pock mark the occupied territories with settlements or outright annex land. But you really have to focus on what most people can live with, not what the extremes will never accept.
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    Funny and sad at the same time.
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    Yes I am.

    Of course it's sad when real civilians die, but lets not jump the gun on this one. The people on board could have been reservists, state workers or journalists, all of whom are apparently military targets according to the israelis. Besides, if they were real civilians its the israelis fault for hiding their military bases amongst civilians. If they hadn't put that military base there none of this would have even happened.
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    Just verifying... Allah Akbar
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    Would you like a sweet?
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    Let me check the news in Gaza first and read what happened there. I'll get back to you shortly I am sure.
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    Whatever else may be said of the Palestinian struggle, this is one thing I cannot understand: with tens of thousands of enemy soldiers sitting right on their borders, the militants nonetheless choose to indiscriminately fire rockets at civilian population centers and bomb buses with elderly and children, INSTEAD of attacking soldiers. I think that says more about the Palestinian resistance movement and the future of peace in the middle east than anything else.

    And while there are some comparison to what happened with IRA, it really is very very different nonetheless.
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    I think it merely tells us how unequal it is on a military level.
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    They killed a higher ratio of military : civilians than the israelis have. And they've been targeting israeli military bases in Beersheba and elsewhere. Will the israelis disclose how many of their "civilian" casualties have served in the military or have served the state? Because the israelis say anyone who works for the Palestinian state in Gaza is a target. What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.
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    Both Intifadas prove exactly the opposite.
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    I agree with you, you have to get the majority of people to agree. Here is why I am cycnical on that point though. hamas was popularly elected by the people in Gaza. This happened after Israel left the strip. That said, I haven't seen any indications that hamas has slipped in popularity there, and you saw the quote I posted from hamas that they put on twitter about the zionists all should leave back to America and Europe right? That coupled with the quotes I provided in the earlier thread from hamas and their own stated charter just reinforces that hamas doesn't want a solution. They want Israel to disappear. They aren't shy about saying it either. Plus I think they feel a bit emboldened by the Arab spring and unless someone can show me something that refutes the quotes and statements I have posted from hamas, I do not think they have any interest at all in a peaceful co-existence. I do think the PA in the West Bank want that, and I think Israel should remove all checkpoints and all presence from the territory asap.
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    Hence my post. It should be pretty easy to target IDF, as oppose to targeting Hamas, yet......
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    Civilian casualties on both sides ought to be condemned. Right now, about 150 civilian Palestinians have died, many of them kids. Havent really seen any condemnation from the pro-israeli camp, but rather the the old, worn-out cliche excuses and justification.

    Pot, meet kettle.
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    Really? You've never mentioned it :eek:

    Oh, that's right you have, every fecking time the subject comes up... and, as I believe I've observed before, you must be just about the unluckiest bleeding fella in the WORLD if you happened to be visiting Dublin at PRECISELY the same time the only attack on the city occurred. Remind me never to ask for a share or horse racing tip, won't yer.

    Of course, others might also be interested to note the following....

    The Ulster Defence Association (UDA) is the largest[5][6] loyalist paramilitary and vigilante[7] group in Northern Ireland. It was formed in September 1971 and undertook a campaign of almost twenty-four years during "The Troubles". It used the name Ulster Freedom Fighters (UFF) when it wished to claim responsibility for attacks—because the two claimed to be separate organisations, the UDA was able to remain legal for over twenty years. The United Kingdom outlawed the "UFF" in November 1973 and the UDA itself was classified as a terrorist group on 10 August 1992.[8] The UDA's/UFF's declared goal was to defend loyalist areas from attack[9] and to combat Irish republicanism.

    Of course, I assume you realise that everything you say can equally be viewed as SUPPORTING the Palestinians?
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    Notice how hamas refuses to list how many militants have died? Why do they hide those numbers? Maybe cause their list of "civlians" includes all their fighters as well?
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    I beg your pardon but I have condemned the death of all children in this fight.
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    Then you have trouble reading. Everyone, including conspiracy, odessit, and myself have said so in the last thread. Good try though. Fail.

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