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It's never too early: A look ahead at the 2012 Olympic pool

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Dave Marino-Nachison, Mar 23, 2010.

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  1. Dave Marino-Nachison

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    Thought I'd start a very preliminary thread for the 2012 Olympic team.

    For the purposes of this thread, seems like it makes sense to keep the discussion to U23 players rather than discussing overage players (if there will even be any). Assuming current rules, the birth year cutoff for Olympic players will be Jan. 1, 1989.

    Last time around, Bradley called the first camp in Feb. 2007. Qualifiying was in 2008. If that form holds, we are a year or so away from the first gathering of the next squad.

    Here's the last U23 roster:

    http://www.ussoccer.com/News/U-23-MNT/2008/07/Nowak-Names-Roster-For-2008-Olympic-Games.aspx

    That team will be pretty well-represented in South Africa, especially if some people get healthy in time.

    More to come shortly.
     


  2. Dave Marino-Nachison

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    Here are the USA-eligible players with birth years between 1989 and 1991 currently listed on MLS's player page:

    • Peri Marosevic 5/5/1989
    • Fuad Ibrahim 8/15/1991
    • Alex Nimo 3/21/1990
    • Anthony Wallace 1/26/1989
    • Gerson Mayen 2/9/1989
    • Michael Stephens 4/3/1989
    • Kyle Davies 4/11/1989
    • Sean Johnson 5/31/1989
    • Jorge Flores 9/16/1989
    • Danny Cruz 1/3/1990
    • Brek Shea 2/28/1990
    • Josh Lambo 11/19/1990
    • Tristan Bowen 1/31/1991
    • Cesar Zamora 5/27/1991
    • Francisco Navas Cobo 11/17/1991
    • Blair Gavin 1/8/1989
    • Ike Opara 2/21/1989
    • Brian Perk 7/21/1989
    • Andrew Wiedeman 8/22/1989
    • Dilly Duka 12/15/1989
    • Teal Bunbury 2/17/1990
    • Amobi Okugo 3/13/1991
     
  3. Dave Marino-Nachison

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    And here is a selection of Yanks Abroad who might be candidates (again, only going with birth years between 1989 and 1991 for now):

    Acuna Sanchez Isaac 1989 Club America Mexico
    Adu Freddy 1989 Aris Thessaloniki FC Greece
    Altidore Josmer 1989 Hull City AFC England
    Arguez Bryan 1989 G.D. Estoril-Praia Portugal
    Eckhardt Greg 1989 VPS Vaasa Finland
    Fennell Royal-Dominique 1989 Stuttgarter Kickers Germany
    Luzunaris Matt 1989 SK Rapid Wien Austria
    Oregel Ochoa Armando 1989 SCR Altach Austria
    Ozuna Arrieta Armando 1989 Club de Futbol Indios Mexico
    Ponce Briseno Miguel Angel 1989 Tapatio Mexico
    Taylor Tony 1989 G.D. Estoril-Praia Portugal
    Williams Daniel 1989 SC Freiburg Germany
    Wooten Andrew 1989 1. FC Kaiserslautern Germany
    Chandler Timothy 1990 Eintracht Frankfurt Germany
    Diskerud Mikkel 1990 Stabaek Norway
    Greenberg Michael 1990 Maccabi Petah Tikva Israel
    Hamada Mizuki 1990 Urawa Red Diamonds Japan
    Jeffrey Jared 1990 FSV Mainz Germany
    Jensen Kenneth Di Vita 1990 Honefoss BK Norway
    Kariv Nadav 1990 FC Wohlen Switzerland
    Ledezma Cardenas Mario Anjel 1990 Chivas Mexico
    Levry Axel 1990 Energie Cottbus Germany
    Mendoza Knauss Alexander Brett 1990 Pumas Mexico
    Monroy Martin 1990 Tigres UANL Mexico
    Moore Dallas 1990 Grimsby Town England
    Morales Alfredo 1990 Hertha BSC Berlin Germany
    Nazzani Giuseppe 1990 AS Figline Italy
    Ochoa Norberto 1990 Club Brugge Belgium
    Paredes Montelongo Jesse Tino 1990 Tigres UANL Mexico
    Ramsey Marcel 1990 FC Schalke 04 Germany
    Sanchez Garcia Victor 1990 Leon Mexico
    Yao Devann 1990 Ipswich Town England
    Agbossoumonde Gale 1991 Sporting Clube de Braga Portugal
    Bolivar Grijalva Ernesto 1991 Indios Mexico
    Boyd Terrence 1991 Hertha BSC Berlin Germany
    Cabrera Paez Juan Antonio 1991 Atlas Mexico
    Garza Gregory Martin 1991 Sporting Lisbon Portugal
    Gatt Josh 1991 SCR Altach Austria
    Hoyos Michael 1991 Estudiantes de la Plata Argentina
    Leyva Fierro Arham Jared 1991 Cruz Azul Mexico
    Navarro Zermeno Daniel Alejandro 1991 Chivas Mexico
    Otte Patrick 1991 Middlesbrough FC England
    Parham Dominik 1991 SV Stuttgarter Kickers Germany
    Patrick Jordan 1991 Cambridge United England
    Picault Fabrice-Jean 1991 Cagliari Calcio Italy
    Robinson Blake 1991 Werder Bremen Germany
    Ruelas Aguilar Gustavo Adrian 1991 Santos Laguna Mexico
    Sakai Gotoku 1991 Albirex Niigata Japan
    Torres Mezzell Guillermo James 1991 Club de Futbol Pachuca Mexico
    Walsh Parker 1991 Karlsruher SC Germany
    Zahavi Alexander 1991 Sporting Lisbon Portugal​
     
  4. mike4066

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    Great thread! When does qualifying start?

    Also, are there still going to be 3 overage players?
     


  5. Dave Marino-Nachison

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    Qualifying will probably be early 2012.

    I think the matter of overage players (and perhaps even the age limit) is still up in the air, but I haven't followed it all that closely.
     
  6. Clint Eastwood

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    There isn't a coach for this group yet is there?

    I'm guessing that the USSF will announce that coach sometime in 2011. Perhaps an assistant to the next USMNT coach (a la Nowak under Bradley).

    We do know that the last U-20 WC squad was disappointing, and many of those players are options for this squad. The eligible names that pop out as still eligible are Adu and Altidore.
     
  7. bshredder

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    I won't do a whole roster prediction but here you go.. my starting lineup prediction:


    -----------Altidore---Agudelo---

    ---------------M. Hoyos------

    -------LLetget--------------Diskerud--

    ----------------Okugo-----------------


    G. Garza----Agbossoumonde---K. Davies-----D. Williams---

    ----------------Edwards--------------


    A few guys I think will be on the bench

    Johnson [GK]
    Adu
    Stephens
    McInerney
    Jeffery
    Opara
    Gil

    Also, I assuming that FIFA finally puts an end to the 3 overage player rule.

    And the one prediction that I can say will 100% absolutely be true is that my lineup prediction above will turn out to be be completely wrong. A good number of these kids won't make it.

    Still, it's fun.
     
  8. mike4066

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    Nice line up.

    I think we have to also keep in mind that whomever will be the new NT coach will more than likely dictate what formation we use for our U-23's.
     
  9. Clint Eastwood

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    I agree on this one.

    The European clubs hate this tournament, and FIFA's going to throw them a bone by doing away with the overage players. (They may already have. I remember hearing something about that)

    It will also be interesting to see how much resistence there is from clubs about U23 players. As we'll recall from the 08 Olympics, the Bundesliga clubs in particular had to be FORCED to release their players. Wasn't it Rafinha who was at the heart of that fight?
     
  10. Dave Marino-Nachison

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    Well, the 2008 result was heartbreaking but I thought that team showed it could play exciting, athletic, modern soccer at times. All in all it was a pretty solid group. This one could certainly be better, especially if they get to "keep" guys like Adu and Altidore.

    I also realize that there are no doubt quite a few college and other amateur players who might force their way into the picture by the time qualifying rolls around.

    Perhaps Sandon or someone else could take a swing at a few of the standouts from that group, but a few cribbed from the last U20 pool include Will Bruin, Mike Green, Matt Cassell, Dan Kelly, Casey Townsend, Chris Agorsor, Brian Ownby, Hasani Sinclair, Dillon Powers and Billy Schuler.
     
  11. Balerion

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    It's as good a guess as any at this point. Daniel Williams is actually a DM who was forced into a few games at RB though. I do like your Michael Hoyos prediction and I'm hoping it comes true...

    For some perspective, let's look at what the last group of U23s were doing in March, 2006. (Not including overage players)

    GK Chris Seitz (Maryland) -- a year before he went pro
    DF Marvell Wynne (NY Red Bulls) -- just beginning his rookie year
    DF Michael Orozco (San Luis) -- didn't make his debut for San Luis until August '06
    DF Patrick Ianni (Houston Dynamo) -- just beginning his rookie year
    MF Michael Bradley (Heerenveen) -- had just been sold and hadn't yet started, then 06-07 was apprentice year, 07-08 breakout year
    MF Dax McCarty (FC Dallas) -- just beginning his rookie year
    MF Maurice Edu (Maryland) -- a year before he went pro
    MF Stuart Holden (Houston Dynamo) -- just beginning his rookie year
    MF Danny Szetela (Columbus Crew) -- bench player
    MF Benny Feilhaber (Hamburger II) -- reserve team player
    MF Freddy Adu (DC United) -- seeing PT
    MF Robbie Rogers (Maryland) -- still amateur, would sign with Heerenveen in August '06
    MF Sacha Kljestan (Chivas USA) -- just beginning his rookie year
    FW Charlie Davies (Boston College) -- a year before he went pro
    FW Jozy Altidore (NY Red Bulls) -- just beginning his rookie year


    So at this point in the last cycle, which is about 2.5 years before the Olympics, here's the break down:

    Amateurs: (4) Seitz, Edu, Rogers, Davies
    Rookies preparing for their first season: (6) Wynne, Ianni, McCarty, Holden, Kljestan, Altidore
    Guys in MLS: (2) Szetela, Adu
    Euro reserves: (2) Bradley, Feilhaber
    Other: (1) Orozco (basically preparing for his rookie season, too)


    Honestly considering how many of these guys are in the NT picture today and considering how long it seems that we've been discussing these guys, it surprised me to see how little experience this group had at this point last cycle.
     
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    This is one of the most enlightening and helpful posts I've read in quite some time. Repped.

    Edit: For some reason I can't rep this post, don't know if it is because of all the neg rep I got from some Mexico trolls recently or not. Can someone cover me?
     
  13. ysantos

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    Considering his Canadian father (who played for the Canadian NT and is among its all time scorers), it'll be interesting to see who he goes with (he was born in Canada as well and played for their youth teams).

    Not to rain on anyones parade, but I think he'll side with Canada.
     
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    I also think bunbury will go with canada. I'm a local MN guy and from what I've heard and read, I think it's 80-20 in favor of canada, but we can all dream
     
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    -----------Altidore---Agudelo---

    ------------------Adu-----------

    -------LLetget--------------Gil*--------

    ----------------Diskerud---------------


    G. Garza--Agbossoumonde---K. Davies*--D. Williams---

    ----------------Edwards*--------------

    God thats an offensive packed lineup, daddy likes....

    Lambo/Chris Seitz
    Okugo
    Hoyos/Dempsey
    McInerney
    Jeffery
    Opara/Gooch
    Shea: utility man for defense, midfield, OR forward. His versatility sees him on the roster

    * and italics indicate players on a three player overage should it still be allowed.
     
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    The 3 O-23 player rule will govern the London Olympics. UEFA by final FIFA vote, backed down.
     
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    One could suppose that he's no different than other Canadians named Hargreaves or De Guzman.

    Arturo Alvarez once seemed like a guy who was 80-20 in favor of the US, and we all know how that ended.
     
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    Add Asmir Begovic (Bosnia) to the list, for Canada. And to make matters even more comical, they once had a guy who relinquished his citizenship in order to get an EU passport to further his career. Ouch.

    Alvarez isn't a great comparison, though, because he did want to play for the US but he wasn't good enough. It was only when it became clear that his chance wasn't going to come that he joined El Salvador's program.
     
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    An MLS guy who was missed is GK Bill Hamid from DC United.
     
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    Freddy Adu, I presume then, will be going as an overaged player?

    Then again, this team may not even qualify.
     
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    You're kidding right?
     
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    I will believe Teal Bunbury will play for the USA the day I see some hockey god in Canada like Ray Borque have his son play for the USA in hockey.
     
  23. Dave Marino-Nachison

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    I guess you've never heard of Bobby Hull. :D
     
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    Ray's son, Ryan, won gold at the 2010 world juniors this year for team usa..
     
  25. Clint Eastwood

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    OH Snap. This is confirmation that Teal will represent the US. bshredder might have some inside info :)
     
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