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  1. gummy-bear83

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  2. Kqql

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    Re: : latest news

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIEvT8MMNVk"]Bari, dalla Procura nuove indagini sul calcioscommesse - YouTube[/ame]
     
  3. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC I Hate Freedom

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    No, there's no match fixing going on in Italy. None whatsoever.

    Here's the highlights of the Bari/Lecce match that allowed Lecce to achieve la salvezza. The Masiello autogoal is a thing of beauty.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXg7wghU9gY"]Bari vs Lecce 0-2 - SKY HD - All Goals & Highlights 15/5/2011 - YouTube[/ame]
     
  4. DaveyGorgeous

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  5. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC I Hate Freedom

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    Except that he admitted to prosecutors that he did in fact put the ball in on purpose to ensure the victory, so he could earn $239,000.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...erie-a-games/2012/04/02/gIQAlLgdqS_story.html

    Davey, I know you don't want to believe it, but fixing goes in Serie A from top to bottom.
     
  6. gummy-bear83

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    Sometimes crime suspects decide to collaborate with prosecutors when they are almost sure to be sentenced. According to Italy's trial law, you can choose to face a "rito abbreviato" trial, that is, a judge ddecide to convict or acquit someone reading both prosecutors and lawyers reports and acts, without a discussion between parts involved. If you are guilty, the ordinary sentence applied to that case will be reduced by a third... (example, normal sentence 15 years, rito abbreviato 10 years) . I hope you'll understand what I write because I'm an Italian studying English as a foreign language.
     
  7. DaveyGorgeous

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    Kens, I see what you mean. And, I am not naive - I'm sure it happens at all levels. I did not realize he admitted to it.
     
  8. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC I Hate Freedom

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    No, I never said you were naive. I remember when I posted something before about match fixing, and everyone got all up in arms about it and said that it doesn't happen. The sad truth is that happens everywhere.
     
  9. DaveyGorgeous

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    Hhaha buddy! I know you weren't calling me naive. I am just admitting to the sad realty that I'm sure betting occurs in European football more than the public is aware of.

    What about this own goal? Scroll to 1:55

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxPWMjmwaoU"]Juventus - Chievo 1-1 Highlights Ampia Sintesi (3.3.12) - YouTube[/ame]

    Similar to Masiello's. But, like Masiello's, I just thought it was just an unfortunate situation.
     
  10. BobanFan

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    Juve goal was offside I see...
     
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  11. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC I Hate Freedom

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    Most own goals are unfortunate circumstances. When I first saw Masiello's OG, I didn't think anything of it. Just like I don't really think much of this one. It was when Masiello admitted it that it struck a chord.

    I've seen genuine games that had outrageous scorelines, and I've seen games that look like flat out fixes. That's the beauty of the fix: To fool people into thinking the fix isn't in and making it look genuine.

    If you have time to read, I really recommend reading "The Fix". It's an outstanding book, and provides insight into how fixes work from players who have actually fixed matches.
     
  12. Daei_10

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    there were other instances he coulda let the goal in but he didnt...why would he wait til another chance to let a goal in?




    i think it all goes down to salaries.....i dont know why american sports pay so well but in case of soccer in europe which is more popular and bigger, the players get such shit salaries. No wonder they can take bribes easily, but its good that its being exposed so people will fear to take it. At least in the main top leagues, players should at least get 1M or more per year....getting a few 100 thousand isnt shit for a pro athlete that has to put up with so much. Even the shittiest NBA players who hardly play get at least 1-1.5mil/year....but in europe it seems like a salary of an actual good player
     
  13. DaveyGorgeous

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    Well, not all players get million(s) per year. For instance, just off the top of my head, Arian Foster of the Houston Texans (NFL) just got a new deal. Beforehand, however, he was making $500K a season and was arguably one of the best players in the league. The year before, he made $400K. That is comparable to some no-name bench player in Serie A who earns €350-400K. I don't think it's about salary to be honest.

    It comes down to corruption in culture. Take a look at the Corruption Perceptions Index. Unfortunately, Italy is a culture where corruption is more rife than say the US.
     
  14. Kqql

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    Latest reports involve Lazio, Genoa, Chievo, Cesena, Atalanta, Lecce, Napoli and Bologna

    - Lazio risk -7 points and no Europe.
    Under investagtion are Ledsema, Mauri and Brocchi and the following games from 2010/2011 season.
    Lazio - Genoa
    Lecce - Lazio

    - Genoa risk -2 points
    Under investagtion are Milanetto, Dainelli and the following games from 2010/2011 season.
    Lazio - Genoa

    Chievo risk -3 to -6 points
    Under investagtion are Pellissier, Luciano and the following games from 2010/2011 season.
    Brescia - Chievo
    Inter - Chievo

    Cesena risk -3 points
    Under investagtion is Marco Rossi and the following game from 2010/2011 season.
    Cesena - Bari

    - Lecce risk -6 points to relegation
    Under investagtion is the Director of footbal and the following game from 2010/2011 season.
    Bari - Lecce

    -Atalanta risk another -7 points
    Under investigation are the following games from 2010/2011 season.
    Ascoli - Atalanta
    Padova - Atalanta

    - Napoli risk -1 to -6 points and no Europe
    Under investagtion are the following games from 2010/2011 season.
    Napoli - Parma
    Napoli - Samp
    Chievo - Napoli

    - Bologna risk -2 points
    Under investigation is the following game from 2010/2011 season.
    Bologna - Bari

    - Other games under investigation are
    AC Milan - Bari
    Bari - Chievo
    Bari - Roma

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  15. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC I Hate Freedom

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    Can someone explain why it's OK to fix matches for money, and you'll only receive a points penalty, but talking with a referee designator, and not actually doing anything wrong, gets you relegated and gets two of your titles handed over to someone else? Can someone seriously explain this?
     
  16. AmericanKaka

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    "It's Italy," would probably be the best explanation, unfortunately.

    But let's not forget that, Turkey aside, the last major Euro match-fixing scandal was in precious Germany, which got about one millionth of the English language press attention despite being far more serious than any of the alleged Farsopoli crimes. It was completely swept under the carpet and all we hear nowadays is how the Bundesliga is a shining example for all.
     
  17. Kqql

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    Latest reports involve Lazio, Genoa, Chievo, Cesena, Atalanta, Lecce, Napoli , Bologna, Novara, Siena, Udinese.

    - Lazio risk -7 points and no Europe.
    Under investagtion are Ledsema, Mauri and Brocchi and the following games from 2010/2011 season.
    Lazio - Genoa
    Lecce - Lazio

    - Genoa risk -2 points
    Under investagtion are Milanetto, Dainelli and the following games from 2010/2011 season.
    Lazio - Genoa

    Chievo risk -3 to -6 points
    Under investagtion are Pellissier, Luciano and the following games from 2010/2011 season.
    Brescia - Chievo
    Inter - Chievo

    Cesena risk -3 points
    Under investagtion is Marco Rossi and the following game from 2010/2011 season.
    Cesena - Bari

    - Lecce risk -6 points to relegation
    Under investagtion is the Director of footbal and the following game from 2010/2011 season.
    Bari - Lecce

    -Atalanta risk another -7 points
    Under investigation are the following games from 2010/2011 season.
    Ascoli - Atalanta
    Padova - Atalanta

    - Napoli risk -1 to -6 points and no Europe
    Under investagtion are the following games from 2010/2011 season.
    Napoli - Parma
    Napoli - Samp
    Chievo - Napoli

    - Bologna risk -2 points
    Under investigation is the following game from 2010/2011 season.
    Bologna - Bari

    - Siena risk points
    Under investagtion are the following games from 2010/2011 season.
    Siena - Atalanta
    Ascoli - Ascoli
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    Court wants to speak with current Juve coach-AC who then was incharge of Siena and on this game
    Siena - Sassuolo

    Udinese risk points
    Under investigation is the following game from 2010/2011 season.
    Udinese - Bari

    - Novaro risk points
    Under investigation are the following games from 2010/2011 Coppa Italia.
    Chiero - Novara
    Novara - Cyrene

    - Other games under investigation are
    AC Milan - Bari
    Bari - Chievo
    Bari - Roma

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  18. Kqql

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    - This game is from this season and is not part of the investigation, but
    the reaction of De Sanctis and Especially then Lucarelli comment/smiles gives the appearence that the bet was for 2 goal spread, which indeed was restored before the game ended.

    - Hope for sake of Napoli fans, their players are not involved...
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow7zOnvWXlA"]Napoli-Lecce, reazione di De Sanctis al gol di Cavani - YouTube[/ame]

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  19. phat

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    Shame on them.
     
  20. Kqql

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    - Bonucci
    Masiello has stated to court that Bonucci then playing for Bari had agreed to fix the Udinese 3-3 Bari game from 2009/2010 season. However, Bonucci denies he was involved or was asked.

    - Pepe risks 6 months to 1 year imprisonment for failure to report
    Masiello has also stated to court that Pepe was asked via Albanian friend, but
    refused to agree to fix Udinese 3-3 Bari game from 2009/2010 season.

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    Reports involve Lazio, Genoa, Chievo, Cesena, Atalanta, Lecce, 
    Napoli, Bologna, Udinese, Siena, Novara.
    
    - Lazio risk -7 points and no Europe.
    Under investagtion are Ledsema, Mauri and Brocchi and the following 
    games from 2010/2011 season. 
    Lazio - Genoa 
    Lecce - Lazio 
    
    - Genoa risk -2 points 
    Under investagtion are Milanetto, Dainelli and the following games 
    from 2010/2011 season. 
    Lazio - Genoa 
    
    Chievo risk -3 to -6 points
    Under investagtion are Pellissier, Luciano and the following games
    from 2010/2011 season. 
    Brescia - Chievo 
    Inter - Chievo
    
    Cesena risk -3 points 
    Under investagtion is Marco Rossi and the following game from 
    2010/2011 season. 
    Cesena - Bari 
    
    - Lecce risk -6 points to relegation
    Under investagtion is the Director of footbal and the following game 
    from 2010/2011 season. 
    
    Bari - Lecce
    -Atalanta risk another -7 points 
    Under investigation are the following games from 2010/2011 season. 
    Ascoli - Atalanta 
    Padova - Atalanta
    
    - Napoli risk -1 to -6 points and no Europe 
    Under investagtion are the following games from 2010/2011 season. 
    Napoli - Parma
    Napoli - Samp
    Chievo - Napoli
    
    - Bologna risk -2 points 
    Under investigation is the following game from 2010/2011 season. 
    Bologna - Bari 
    
    Udinese risk points
    Under investigation is the following game from 2009/2010 season. 
    Udinese - Bari 
    - Bonucci 
    Masiello has stated to court that Bonucci then playing for Bari had 
    agreed to fix the Udinese - Bari game from 2009/2010 season. 
    However, Bonucci denies he was involved or was asked.
    - Pepe risks 6 months to 1 year imprisonment for failure to report
    Masiello has also stated to court that Pepe was asked but refused to
    agree to fix Udinese - Bari game from 2009/2010 season
    
    Siena risk points 
    Under investagtion are the following games from 2010/2011 season. 
    Siena - Atalanta
    Ascoli - Ascoli
    + 
    Court wants to speak with current Juve coach-AC who then was incharge
    of Siena and on this game. AC has come and denied he was contacted. 
    Siena - Sassuolo
    
    - Novaro risk points
    Under investigation are the following games from 2010 Coppa Italia. 
    Chiero - Novara
    Novara - Cyrene 
    
    - Other games under investigation are
    AC Milan - Bari
    Bari - Chievo
    Bari - Roma
    
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  21. falvo

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    The rai tv just said Masiello has been released from jail and is now under house arrest but they said he admitted to scoring an own goal while with Bari last year. They are saying other teams are now counting on points reduction and may have something worthwhile to play for until th end of the season.
     
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  22. Kqql

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    - Udinese - Bari from 2009/2010 season
    More details have merged that players involved to fix this game were Parisi, Belmonte, Bonucci, Andrea Masiello and Salvatore Masiello. Also, Pepe was offered a Ferrari but refused, however once he did join Juve for 2010/2011 season he bought a Red Ferrari...

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    Code:
    Reports involve Lazio, Genoa, Chievo, Cesena, Atalanta, Lecce, 
    Napoli, Bologna, Udinese, Siena, Novara.
    
    - Lazio risk -7 points and no Europe.
    Under investagtion are Ledsema, Mauri and Brocchi and the following 
    games from 2010/2011 season. 
    Lazio - Genoa 
    Lecce - Lazio 
    
    - Genoa risk -2 points 
    Under investagtion are Milanetto, Dainelli and the following games 
    from 2010/2011 season. 
    Lazio - Genoa 
    
    Chievo risk -3 to -6 points
    Under investagtion are Pellissier, Luciano and the following games
    from 2010/2011 season. 
    Brescia - Chievo 
    Inter - Chievo
    
    Cesena risk -3 points 
    Under investagtion is Marco Rossi and the following game from 
    2010/2011 season. 
    Cesena - Bari 
    
    - Lecce risk -6 points to relegation
    Under investagtion is the Director of footbal and the following game 
    from 2010/2011 season. 
    
    Bari - Lecce
    -Atalanta risk another -7 points 
    Under investigation are the following games from 2010/2011 season. 
    Ascoli - Atalanta 
    Padova - Atalanta
    
    - Napoli risk -1 to -6 points and no Europe 
    Under investagtion are the following games from 2010/2011 season. 
    Napoli - Parma
    Napoli - Samp
    Chievo - Napoli
    
    - Bologna risk -2 points 
    Under investigation is the following game from 2010/2011 season. 
    Bologna - Bari 
    
    - Udinese risk points
    Under investigation is the following game from 2009/2010 season. 
    Udinese - Bari 
    More details have merged that players involved to fix this game were 
    Parisi, Belmonte, Bonucci, Andrea Masiello and Salvatore Masiello. Also,
    Pepe was offered a Ferrari but refused, however once he did join Juve
    for 2010/2011 season he bought a Red Ferrari...
    - Bonucci 
    Denies he was involved or was asked.
    - Pepe risks 6 months to 1 year imprisonment for failure to report
    
    Siena risk points 
    Under investagtion are the following games from 2010/2011 season. 
    Siena - Atalanta
    Ascoli - Ascoli
    + 
    Court wants to speak with current Juve coach-AC who then was incharge
    of Siena and on this game. AC has come and denied he was contacted. 
    Siena - Sassuolo
    
    - Novaro risk points
    Under investigation are the following games from 2010 Coppa Italia. 
    Chiero - Novara
    Novara - Cyrene 
    
    - Other games under investigation are
    AC Milan - Bari
    Bari - Chievo
    Bari - Roma
    
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  23. Dante

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    So Pepe refused to fix a game and receive a Ferrari, yet he BUYS one when he joins Juve and somehow this is relevant? Seems like they're trying to connect Juve to it any way they can.

    Btw, I also find it amusing that the teams only face a point reduction for ACTUALLY FIXING GAMES, yet Juve gets relegated with no proof of any games being fixed.
     
  24. falvo

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    What I want to know is how they find this stuff out? I mean how can taping telephone conversations be legal? Whether whomever is involved or if they are wrong or right, isn't that a direct invasion of privacy in a free world? I mean if this is the case, Italy is still in a police state therefore, with all this talk about freedom is a bunch of crock. This is just like the Russian KGB . East German Stasi and the German Nazi government. I'm sure its happened in the USA also but I never heard of anyone going to jail for sports fraud because of taped telephone conversations. If that were the case, Pete Rose would have been in jail 20 years ago!
     
  25. AmericanKaka

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    Not to mention, the only mention of jail time is for Pepe... because he DIDN'T participate?
    WTF!?!?
     
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