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MLS Badges that must change!

Discussion in 'MLS: Clubs' started by Bellus Ludas, Jul 4, 2007.

  1. whiteisthecolour

    whiteisthecolour Moderator Staff Member

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    Wow, that Houston "star" logo is pure class! They should reconsider using it. The concept of "Dynamo" resonates as strongly with a "star" motif as it does with what they currently have, in my opinion.
     


  2. whiteisthecolour

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    I like the badges. I like the lions. You really like the lions. Lions have nothing to do with Wizards. Your lions are cool and heraldic. Wizards should become lions.

    I don't really have a problem with the Wizards name, but why have they always had the worst (or tied for worst) logo in the league. Look, the team was named wizards as a tip of the hat to Wizard of Oz, which I thought was a GREAT tie-in. They started off by playing it up a bit, but did so in the days when everyone used ugly fonts/colors/stylization in the MLS. Now that those days are gone, can someone PLEASE try and come up with a KC WIZARDS badge that plays up the Oz connection while still retaining neo-classic soccer stylings? I'll try and do something on MS Paint (that is BIG incentive for someone out there to try and beat me to it by photoshopping some stuff.)
     
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    We had a thread in the KC forum with better ideas on a new logo. Doubt that we want to incorporate Oz link or LH in the new logo. Lamar will have his place in our hall of fame at the new stadium, but in most fans' eyes let the team marketing waste away while for sale (we are still recovering). By the way, the "weird thing" on the city flag represents city of fountains, which KC is known as.

    I think we will most likely see any logo change when we move into our new stadium in 2010. Ownership likes the name Wizards so I would be surprised if the name changes. If Matthias' logos are used, it will likely be the ones he created later that incorporated dragons instead of lions, since dragons are associated with wizards and cauldrons (supporters group name). Our current mascot is also a dragon.
     


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    I admit that I really enjoy the link to Wizards of Oz. Having said that, I really do think the either should stay with Wizards and incorporate the tie-in more, or change out of Wizards completely and find a new nickname.

    I am really surprised to hear that KC fans don't like the tie-in to the book/movie! It is unique as far as I know, with a tie-in to a piece of classic fiction. Kind of like Green Bay Packers, but classic fiction instead of local tinning industry. If I were a KC fan, I'd be fighting tooth and nail to maintain such a brilliant name concept.
     
  6. TheUltra

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    You do realize they were the Wiz first right?

    an attempt by MLS at what one can only assume was to create a team with the most mocked and taunted name in all of sports. And it would have worked too if it hadn't been for copyright infringment!
     
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    You really didn't need to go to the KC forum and start a new thread about this, just do a little digging to find this old thread:
    http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=636822

    As you can see, this topic has been quiet for a while, so don't be surprised if the new thread in the KC forum is closed. ;)
     
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    It still does look awesome - I haven't dumped it.

    That is a great crest.

    I liked all but the "KCW" one, and even that one is still an improvement over the current design.

    There was too little time to rework the given crest; they had to fall back on one of the several others that had been submitted, as the season was starting, like next month, if I recall correctly. Anyway, the FO was kind enough to let the Texian Army use the base layout for our own insignia...

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    i believe a logo shouldnt have too much detail (like the dynamo logo) or have it too complex. Even the seattle sounder (new) logo is too complicated (but the colors are great).

    But hey thats just me.
     
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    go fuck yourself
     
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    first off how come every new team in colorado has to be the rapids and second colorado totally has the worst badge ever but columbus is pretty bad too so is DC KC and San Jose
     
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    Strange you would say that SJ has a bad logo since your team basically just ripped theirs off.
     
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    Damn, beat me to it.
     
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    no houstons is different and the color scheme makes all the difference in the world lol
     
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    nice try homer...
     
  18. RememberTheKicks

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    I must agree with the original topic. Personally, I almost think these MLS logos (or 'crests' or 'badges,' as they're now being called) are getting a bit TOO formal/rigid for their own good. I say go back to the full-fledged logos they originally had. Maybe it's just my being raised on the NASL/MISL -- I liked that look...albeit without the 70s/early 80s tackiness. ;)

    Also, I'm all for jersey advertising to help keep these fledgling pro sports leagues afloat...but when the ad is bigger than the team logo itself, well, that's kind of ridiculous. : ?

    And I'm SO not a fan of these Europeanized team names (D.C. United, FC Dallas, Real Salt Lake, etc.). Again, it may be my traditionalist North American pro sports upbringing, but Europe is Europe, and North America should be North America. Other than these quibbles, I'm quite happy that MLS is making respectable headway.
     
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    Either Houston or San Jose.

    They can fight it out, have a war, flip a coin, whatever, but in the end one of them must change.

    And please, no NASL-era type logos. In pro soccer, teams use crests. Even our Nats. This isn't a Euro-thing, it's a soccer thing. In basketball teams wear tanktops, that's a basketball thing. They wear it in Europe. They wear it in S. America. I always hated playing in youth leagues against teams wearing jerseys with sleeves. In pro baseball teams wear button-down jerseys. Even in Japan. Even in Cuba. That's a baseball thing. Crests are a Soccer thing.

    It's a soccer thing in Africa.
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    It's a soccer thing in Asia.
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    And it's a soccer thing in S. America.
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    There's no reason that we to be different in this respect.

    The whole "this is N. America and that's Europe" thing doesn't even apply. It's not Euro-posing it's soccer-posing.
     
  20. RememberTheKicks

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    But 'crests' aren't physically part of the uniform the way tank tops and button-downs are; it's simply the team's logo. The Colorado Rapids' original logo is along the lines of what I had in mind for the whole league; more accessible and American-minded but still professional-looking and not something that would easily date itself (à la many of those NASL/MISL logos). So sue me. I'd have no problem if another country decided to do something different with their baseball uniforms (e.g. switch to visors :p). Maybe this is another one of the many reasons soccer has never fully caught on here in the States -- this sort of 'religious fundamentalist' approach to not leaving anything up to someone else's interpretive style. :confused:
     
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    While one can argue that tank tops serve a function in basketball, button-downs and caps vs. visors don't in baseball, yet if any other country, like Japan or Korea switched to solid mesh jerseys and visors we would rip them to all get out. And so would I.

    Crests are very much part of pro jerseys, at least as much as button-downs are in baseball. Neither has a physical function, but they are part of the tradition of the sport worldwide. The fact that it isn't "Euro-posing" is clear. What isn't is why we have to be different on this particular point.

    I hear arguments about names and such and I can understand, to a point, the wish to establish some N. American flavor to that aspect. And we have. Not every team, but the ones that we have are more than enough.

    But doing away with crests? That's a little much, especially as it's established as a uniform item in the sport. No. I will rip the Yankees if they go to a third jersey. I will rip any European basketball team that ever has sleeves on their jerseys bc that's just stupid. I will rip any Japanese team that tries to re-invent the baseball uniform. And I will rip the MLS if they go back to doing the same with soccer. Sure I'll follow the league still, but I will still call it stupid.
     
  22. TheUltra

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    I think we can all agree everyone elses opinion is wrong. :rolleyes:
     
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    I guess my main issue with the crest is that it leaves a lot of empty space on the front of the jersey. It's like if a painter started a painting and only painted a bit in the upper right-hand corner and then abandoned it. Having the team logo front-and-center as on a hockey jersey would look less awkward. Also, some of these newer crests have little to do with the team's name (teams with more specific names, like the Rapids, the Wizards, and the Earthquakes).

    Of course, I still take bigger issue with the mimicking of the European team names. We Yanks (and Canucks) have pretty much always known our sports teams to have specific names instead of just the generic moniker of [city name] [sport name] Club; There's no Denver BC in basketball -- they're the Denver NUGGETS; no HC Edmonton in hockey, but the Edmonton OILERS; no Houston United in baseball, but the Houston ASTROS. So why should we approach soccer any differently (even if, unlike the 4 main pro sports here in North America, we didn't invent it)? I say resurrect the Toronto Blizzard and the Washington Diplomats and go back to the Dallas Burn. How about the New York Cosmos as well (I'm sure I'm not the first person to be disgusted by the most blatant product placement in all of pro sports that is the name 'Red Bulls' : ?).
     
  24. Unak78

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    As far as uniforms go, there's a way that soccer uniforms are done, and I don't like the idea of changing that simply for the sake of Americanizing the sport. From children's league games all of my soccer uniforms have been different from the uniforms that I wore for other sports. My basketball uniforms had numbers on the front and team names. Baseball uniforms had vests after Jr. High and mesh before that. Soccer uniforms were always blank in the front. From elementary, to local club league. So it's done that way in soccer here as well. That is just how soccer uniforms are done.

    Now as for team names. Where I get into argument with ppl on the issue is when they decide that there needs to be some mandate on how all teams are named. I like the old NASL names as well. Cosmos definitely needs to be brought back and Pinton is ready to give it away for free now apparently. That was MLS that wanted to distance from NASL-era names. However when you look in Toronto and Seattle, they're happy with their names. Why do they need to change? Seattle fans in fact chose to tack the FC on the end of their names.

    Now if you want to convince me that FC Dallas needs to be rebranded then you would have a better argument if you said that the fans should be given the opportunity to brand the team. However saying that they should return to the Burn name simply because it's American makes little sense. The Burn was a bad name by American standards. American sports does not have a great and storied history of naming teams after verbs. I live in Dallas and was here when the team was first branded and, believe me, sportswriters who covered the other "Big 4" ridiculed that name and deservedly so. American or not, it was bad. If you want to let the fans vote on the name, then I am all for fan involvement, but if they choose to keep the FC or go with something American like Toros let that be the end of it.

    I have no problem with American names. And I like the "Euro" names as well. What baffles me is that in a league where American-style names are well-represented we seem to get up in arms when a city chooses and seems to approve of a name that is "un-American". One thing to realize is that naming all of the teams the Bears and Vikings and such isn't going to get Joe Sixpack football fan to suddenly like MLS. And simply going back to bad "American names" that didn't work for anybody on either side of the argument makes little sense. Perhaps more fan involvement is needed for choosing names. Once again I am all for more NASL era names and definitely want Cosmos back. But why change TFC, the fans there already identify with that brand. Branding is more important than preference in team naming; you don't change once this is well-established as it defeats the purpose of naming in the first place.

    The only requirement that I agree with is opening voting to the fans and let them be the judges. Don't be surprised, though, when you get the FC tacked onto Seattle's name or the Impact being renamed Olympique. Some cities aren't only full of people who proudly claim to be "Euro-posers" but as in TO's case are actually full of transplanted Europeans.

    But this thread is supposed to be about crest-designs so... I'll leave it at that.
     
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    I know it might sound trivial but I think this is something that would help give more credibility to the MLS. I think all MLS team Badges should be a crest of that specific city's seal or flag in some cases. Just google each city and look at it's city seal. I think it would actually represent a true connection and representation to/of the city, not some hollywood style, mickey mouse logo. I would say most of them do this with the exception of Chivas. I support MLS, want to see it grow, and don't think it is a mickey mouse league, but one thing that helps MLS come across this way are the crests.

    Here are a few examples:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_City_of_Los_Angeles
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia,_Pennsylvania
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City,_KS
     

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