MLS Draft will only be on ESPN3. No ESPN2 coverage.

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  1. Spursfan1

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    NHL gets ENORMOUS revenue from what they do with their draft.

    we are falling behind. SMH....


  2. tab5g

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    "falling behind" implies MLS was once "even" with NHL in this (or any) portion of their business.
  3. Grumpy in LA

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    He probably means we're falling behind the EPL, which he believes was in pretty much the same condition in 1991 as MLS was in 1994.
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    I'm not saying your wrong. But I'd love to see the numbers behind this?


  5. FlipsLikeAPancake

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    Fair enough. After all, pretty much the only thing I remember from the last Superdraft was Lalas being very critical of the Deleon pick. Good call, Lalas!
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    The draft is a bore and rarely rewards the viewer with any new or useful information.

    What I'm mad about is not being able to watch the combine.
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    I am really shocked that they don't have even a raw stream for the combine even if they go cheap with no announcers.
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    If nothing else, it just looks bad.
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    It'd be nice if they would release some MLS Live info around draft time as well. I don't see a reason why they wouldn't have the draft available for live streaming on their own app? (Perhaps they will and I don't understand fully how it will all work).
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    Sixty posts now, and not a single image of Danny Szetela?
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    so i've done a bit of number crunching for the 2010-2012 Drafts (Super and Supp):

    if you take the first 2 rounds of the 2010-2012 SuperDraft and "Rate" the players as follows:

    Major Contrib (****) - at least 30 app/year or 2,000 min/year or 10 goals+asst/year
    Good Contrib (***) - at least 20 app/year or 1,000 min/year or 5 goals+asst/year
    Moderate Contrib (**) - at least 10 app/year or 500 min/year
    Minor Contrib (*) - at least 5 app/year or 100 min/year
    Bust (x) - anything less than above

    you get the following:

    **** = 15
    *** = 21
    ** = 19
    * = 18
    x = 33

    so basically there is a 33% chance to get a ****/*** star draft pick in the first two rounds and the same 33% chance you'll get a **/* star player or a 33% chance you'll get a bust (understanding that some of the 2012 draft picks that fall into the "x" rating might contribute in future seasons, the few who are still on rosters).

    of the 36 **** & *** star draft picks from 2010-2012 by position

    GK: 2 (6%)
    D: 15 (42%)
    M: 10 (28%)
    F: 9 (25%)

    i am going to try and input more drafts, say back to 2007, into my data set and see what else i can come up with.

    DCU has done a great job drafting in the first two rounds ... 3 picks averaging nearly 2,400 hundred minutes per season (Korb, Kitchen, DeLeon).
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    Also when you judge a draft, you have to take into account that some picks can be turned into a trade-able asset or you may even sell off a player and collect some transfer money.
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    Nice info. Do you happen to have the total number of draft picks by position for 2010-2012?
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    By the way the Super Draft will be streamed live on Youtube, ESPN3, and MLSSoccer.com so I think we'll be covered. Also the first draft pick will be aired live on ESPN's Sports Center.
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    The usb input on your TV is almost certainly for service/repair and will not carry a video signal.

    Assuming you have a PC of some sort, all you need is a VGA cord. There should be a port for that on your TV.

    If you have a fancy new laptop, it might have a HDMI output out it. If you have a Mac, you will need the adapter that goes from whatever they call their video output port to a vga cable. This will cost you $15 at walmart or $10 online.

    Let me know if you need more help.
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    Please, we save those for the weighted lotteries.
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    I have a bunch of draft data I compiled last year. Let me see if I can get it posted cleanly in the next couple of posts. Note that all the data in the numerous posts below is compiled from 2000 through 2011. It does not include 2012 data.

    Please excuse the look of the data as the charts from my word document did not copy over well but you should still be able to follow along.
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    Data Set Rules


    The following rules were used to help determine which players would be a part of the data group

    • Only players who chose to sign with MLS will be considered in the study.
    • If a player was drafted and then cut during preseason, he will be part of the data group. If said player is subsequently picked up during the season by another team, the stats will reflect the original team who drafted him.
    • If a player was drafted but then did not sign with the league and chose to play outside of MLS, he will not be part of the data group.
    • If a player was forced to retire for non-soccer reasons (for example Zachary Herold), he will not be a part of the data group.
    • If a player was injured before they could play a game in the first season (for example Chris Gbandi), he will not be part of the data group.
    • If a player was previously in MLS and then was drafted in a subsequent season (this happened twice in 2001 with Andrew Gregor and Justin Evans)), they will not be a part of the data group.
    • If a player was drafted but could not obtain a work permit (as happened to a couple of the Joe Public players drafted in the early 2000’s), he will not be a part of the data group.
    By following the rules listed above, a certain number of draftees were removed from the data set. The table below displays the total number of players in the study.

    Total # of Players in Study
    283
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    The 283 players were broken out into the following positions and experience level.


    Total # of players by position
    Forward
    80
    Midfielder
    98
    Defender
    101
    Goalkeeper
    26


    Total # of players by experience
    Senior
    151
    Junior
    60
    Sophomore
    29
    Freshman
    8
    High School
    19
    International
    12
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    The next table further delineates how the players were broken out into specific position/ experience categories.

    Total # of players by position/experience
    Forward Senior
    34
    Forward Junior
    11
    Forward Sophomore
    8
    Forward Freshman
    1
    ForwardHigh School
    11
    Forward International
    2
    Midfielder Senior
    49
    Midfielder Junior
    15
    Midfielder Sophomore
    7
    Midfielder Freshman
    5
    MidfielderHigh school
    11
    Midfielder International
    7
    Defender Senior
    69
    Defender Junior
    19
    Defender Sophomore
    11
    Defender Freshman
    2
    DefenderHigh school
    1
    Defender International
    2
    Goalkeeper Senior
    11
    Goalkeeper Junior
    4
    Goalkeeper Sophomore
    2
    Goalkeeper Freshman
    0
    GoalkeeperHigh school
    1
    Goalkeeper International
    0
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    The next three tables deal specifically with player appearance information. These tables display the % of games that the player appeared in his first season in the league. % is used to balance the fact that seasons in the study had a varying amount of total games per season. The tables show all combinations of position and experience level. The information is summed for all drafts from 2000 through 2011.



    Average Appearance % by position
    Forward
    49.92%
    Midfielder
    36.78%
    Defender
    43.45%
    Goalkeeper
    19.52%

    Average Appearance % by experience
    Senior
    37.22%
    Junior
    48.87%
    Sophomore
    59.30%
    Freshman
    28.71%
    High School
    35.44%
    International
    42.77%

    Average Appearance % by position/experience
    Forward Senior
    51.14%
    Forward Junior
    41.39%
    Forward Sophomore
    58.41%
    Forward Freshman
    31.25%
    ForwardHigh School
    54.34%
    Forward International
    13.24%
    Midfielder Senior
    32.16%
    Midfielder Junior
    55.91%
    Midfielder Sophomore
    43.91%
    Midfielder Freshman
    31.57%
    MidfielderHigh school
    21.97%
    Midfielder International
    48.01%
    Defender Senior
    38.67%
    Defender Junior
    51.41%
    Defender Sophomore
    64.92%
    Defender Freshman
    20.31%
    DefenderHigh school
    N/A
    Defender International
    53.94%
    Goalkeeper Senior
    12.99%
    Goalkeeper Junior
    30.88%
    Goalkeeper Sophomore
    42.50%
    Goalkeeper Freshman
    N/A
    GoalkeeperHigh school
    0.00%
    Goalkeeper International
    N/A
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    The next three tables deal specifically with player game minutes information. These tables display the % of total minutes that the player appeared in his first season in the league. % is used to balance the fact that seasons in the study had a varying amount of total minutes per season. These tables give more granularity into how much the player really played in their appearances. The tables show all combinations of position and experience level. The information is summed for all drafts from 2000 through 2011.

    Average Minutes % by position
    Forward
    28.08%
    Midfielder
    24.17%
    Defender
    36.24%
    Goalkeeper
    18.89%

    Average Minutes % by experience
    Senior
    37.22%
    Junior
    48.87%
    Sophomore
    59.30%
    Freshman
    28.71%
    High School
    35.44%
    International
    42.77%

    Average Minutes % by position/experience
    Forward Senior
    29.02%
    Forward Junior
    20.68%
    Forward Sophomore
    43.64%
    Forward Freshman
    7.67%
    ForwardHigh School
    27.24%
    Forward International
    5.23%
    Midfielder Senior
    19.15%
    Midfielder Junior
    42.25%
    Midfielder Sophomore
    31.28%
    Midfielder Freshman
    22.36%
    MidfielderHigh school
    14.27%
    Midfielder International
    30.36%
    Defender Senior
    31.12%
    Defender Junior
    45.38%
    Defender Sophomore
    57.16%
    Defender Freshman
    17.95%
    DefenderHigh school
    N/A
    Defender International
    45.30%
    Goalkeeper Senior
    12.68%
    Goalkeeper Junior
    29.62%
    Goalkeeper Sophomore
    41.09%
    Goalkeeper Freshman
    N/A
    GoalkeeperHigh school
    0.00%
    Goalkeeper International
    N/A
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    In performing the study, it became evident that certain colleges were used more often than others to draw players from. The table below shows the names of all colleges and universities where 10 or more players were drafted from in the study.




    College/University
    Number of players in study
    University of Maryland
    19
    Wake Forest University
    16
    UCLA
    15
    UNC
    13
    Indiana University
    11
    University of Akron
    10
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    General High Level Observation of Data


    • ACC schools dominate the draft
    • Some colleges appear in bunches with in a couple of drafts. This is explained due to MLS drafters picking a lot of players from specific championship level teams, a good example of which was Akron.
    • Senior Defender is by far the most popular position experience level to draft
    • Forwards held the edge in highest % of appearances but defenders had the highest level of minutes by a good margin. This is likely explained by the fact that many rookie forwards are sent in as late game subs where as defenders tend to start and stay on the majority of the game.
    • General experience level did not lean towards the more experienced player in either appearances or minutes. In fact there appears to be diminishing returns the older a player gets after his freshman year. Sophomores as a group dominated both appearance and minutes and were followed by juniors. Of the three, seniors had the least impact on appearances and minutes. Some of this can be explained by the fact that better players are coming out of college earlier.
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    You get two.

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    He's not wrong. In Canada the NHL draft coverage is similar to NFL draft coverage in the US. The networks pay big rights fees to show it live. It's pure overkill.

    It also speaks to an oversight many MLS fans make when they try and make claims about the league overtaking hockey - the Canada factor. Hockey is a billion dollar industry up here and that money drives the sport to levels MLS can only dream about.

    That said, I doubt the NHL draft is watched by too many more Americans than the MLS draft is. I think it airs on the NHL Network in the US and a similar speciality channel would likely make sense for the MLS draft if such a channel were to exist.

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