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"Moyes In" OTT 26 [R]

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  1. newterp

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    Don't we have 4 clean sheets in 15 or something similarly sad?

    Saf did not leave a bad team at all - he simply didn't leave his ethos, will to win, and absolute favor from the refs and the FA. Moyes is doing what he did at Everton - all about grinding out results, stifling creativity, and generally having no innovation. Pretty simple. But he has enough talent that they will overshadow him - ideally of course it will be too late then.
     


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    same number as Moyes' lot, but 'pool has scored n more goals. n= the 96th root of Avogadro's number.
     
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    Grrrrrr Avogadro grrrr. Wish rafa had the funds to sign him.
     
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    Mmmmmm Avogadro. Like it sliced on my burger the California way.
     
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    Kinda hard to take you seriously with a comment like this. since i can't argue with most of the post i am going to assume this was an oversight.

    and PS credit where it is due - good stuff this year (and that just means i hate you people even more :)
     
  6. AndSomeAreAngels

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    He really left the cupboard bare, United being league champions and all.

    I agree that Rednose has no desire to see the club succeed after he's stepped down as manager (hence his handpicking of Moyes as his successor) but it has little to do with the players at the club. The same squad ran away with the league last year.
     
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    Other than Moyes natural defensive approach the big difference has been that many of the players are a year older (Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Giggs) and RVP has been well less than 100% when he plays and has been out a lot. Last year they would not have been anywhere near as good without RVP having a great season
     
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    Moyes is a small time manager with a small time mentality. His record in big games is a testament to that. He's a ginger version of Hodgson. The longer he stays the better.
     
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    I disagree. Moyes is definitely a large, maybe the largest part, but the players have something to do with it.

    Last year Man U were an old, but experienced team, and RVP had one of the greatest seasons a FW has had in this league in a while. RVP single handedly gained them alot of points.

    On the flip side all of Man U's rivals had terrible seasons.

    Now a year later the squad is just old, Rooney is not as interested, RVP isn't playing at the same level, and signings Kagawa, Zaha, and Buttner have had zero effect.

    Moyes is a crap manager, but Rednose didn't leave him a whole lot to work with.
     
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    Rooney has been far from disinterested.

    They won the title by winning every game against the bottom 13 clubs last year. They aren't doing that anymore. Beating teams at the bottom is all about mentality and preparation. That is the responsibility of the manager.

    Their squad may not be title quality, but its at least on par with what we have. Its superior to Southampton, Everton, Newcastle.

    At worst they should be 5 or 6th. They are losing at home to sides that haven't won there in decades. 3 and 4 decades.

    You can't take a squad that won the title by 11 points, change managers and then blame the players/squad when they turn into a mediocre team. If players don't perform, that's on the manager.

    My only hope they give him enough time to cement their place outside the top 4.
     
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    I don't think was as stifling at Everton as people are saying now. In big games, they could be foul-heavy and play focusing on grit and determination, but he didn't use a lock-stock 442 like Fergie often did, and I liked his use of false-9s and interiores. Not the manager I'd want, because he would give his team the wrong type of mindset for big games and rely on their grit instead of their flair (as we're seeing now) but he was hardly the caveman manager that people are depicting
     
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    So, The Emperor has no clothes after all, eh? Bayern losing to City with a defensive shambles to rival ours at Hull.
     
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    Bite your f*ckin' tounge....:)
     
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    Well the Manchester's won their games today. Manure, were schooled for a full half hour at home in the first half but Shaktar couldn't put the ball in the net. Then mid second half Jones, who was having an awful game got onto a loose ball all on his own in their penalty area. and that was it.

    City went down by 2 in the first half looking terrible, then came back with three. Who'd a thunk it? Neither game made no never mind... as we say!
     
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    You saw the same games I did
     
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    Agreed, but he found his level at Everton, where the expectations were low. It's not that he can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit; it's that he gets nervous when handed a porterhouse and overcooks it until it's leather.

    He'll be a great hire at Stoke or Hull in a couple of seasons.
     
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    that was a great way of putting it
     
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    I'm not sure any of this statement disagrees with this:
    But to claim the players don't have anything to do with it is just crazytown.

    I didn't say Rooney was disinterested, I said he was not as interested.

    He wanted to leave when Rednose was there, and he wanted to leave again when Moyes came in.
    These two statements are incorrect. Neither are solely on the manager.

    If a new manager comes in with a different way of doing things, the players need to be able to adapt.

    There is more than one reason 18 year old Januzaj is playing so much.
    Me too!
     
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    All this talk of Moyes is making me excited for Sundays game. I'm off to Villa Park on Sunday to see if I can simultaneously boo for two teams at once, albeit very, very quietly.
     
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    I'd really like to see Rafa get into the knockout stages somehow. They need to beat Arsenal by 3 goals (hmmmmm - that's familiar right?) or hope that dortmund lose or draw, and that they just win outright.
     
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    Dammit - Dortmund escape again.
     
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    And L'Arse come second so they are facing a difficult tie is February. They always go out in Europe. I have as many appearances for Liverpool as they have European trophies
     
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    I've always perpetuated the story that Le Arse haven't won anything in Europe. Even their their own supporters believe that.

    Even though I've always known that the story wasn't true!!!

    They did win a European trophy back in 1970. It was a competition of sorts that ran for 12 years, from about 1958. It was unrelated to anything else, all one had to do was to just say that they wanted in. It was called the Inter City Fairs Cup...!

    English clubs won it 4 times out of the 12 times. Two for Leeds 68/71. One for Newcastle Utd. 69. and Arsenal's in 1970.

    It was abandoned after 1971, lack of interest and support.

    The next year they introduced the UEFA cup. Liverpool won their first of 3 of these in 1973. Only inter and Juve have matched that. We also have 3 UEFA Super Cups.

    Then there's the one cup that we won 5 times...:)
     
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    @SkySportsNews: Manchester United striker Robin van Persie ruled out for one month with thigh injury #SSN

    Things just got even tougher for Moyes
     
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