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NASL adopts Spring/Fall seasons for 2013

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  1. kenntomasch

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    Look closer. :)
     


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    Maybe not in the same season, but a loan player who does well in 2013 could manage to earn a starting job in 2014 or 2015, no? (So could a few non-loan players, too, although most of the former RailHawks in MLS these days don't seem to be getting much playing time.)
     
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    Oh, absolutely. You'd hope that would be the case. But that has nothing whatsoever to do with a split season or playing hard or not playing hard in the second half of the season. You would assume professional players will play hard more often than not, and that someone who's sent down to improve themselves will take that as motivation. Yet, we're constantly told that unless we have win bonuses and stuff like that, players don't do that.

    In any case, a lot can happen between November 2013 and March 2014 (or 2015), when starting jobs are up for grabs again. My original point was that loan players have their own motivations separate from where their team is in the standings.
     
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    Kenn is making a great point regarding this league and expansion under the new format. A few of us brought it up late last night as well. This format might work ok with 8 to 10 teams, but what happens when the league expands to 12, 14 or beyond? Can't play everyone four times in a season (or whatever the ******** we are supposed to refer to this new setup as) when you have more than 10 teams.

    I hope they have considered this and are open to changing the format back if/when the time comes that playoffs as they currently stand are less of a financial burden and there are more teams in the league (somewhat indicating a healthy league, if expansion is happening successfully, but not necessarily I suppose)
     


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    [​IMG]

    Agreed, it won't be easy, but it's not impossible, either, and I think that's part of the reason the league is moving to this split-season format -- to make the league more attractive as a media property. To someone, anyway.
     
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    I think second-division soccer has a TV popularity ceiling anyway, but considering they're nowhere near it at the moment, there's nothing at all to be lost - and stuff to be gained - by positioning yourself for that.

    Again, this is just about the final, though. There are machinations you could go through to get your final on TV with some bit of certainty (or at least workability) that don't necessitate overhauling your competition format. It's not going to have an impact on whether or not they can get a game of the week on FOX or beINSport or wherever.
     
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    I just read that somewhere.

    In almost the same verbiage, too. Trying to recall where. But I just read it.

    Why? Because you say so? Even though we're just now at the point where - after millions upon millions expended and years of outreach and putting down roots in the communities - MLS games sell out far more often than they did. But you just say that because there aren't other pro teams competing with Carolina and Fort Lauderdale, sellouts should just happen.

    Ticket sales don't just "happen" for this sport, especially not at the lower levels.

    And third prize is you're fired. You're assuming NASL GMs aren't interested, for some reason, in selling 65% of their available tickets. It's just harder than you think it is.

    No, it didn't assume that. What it assumed was that the second division had been a basket case and it was time to put an end to that. Limiting the number of fly-by-night operators and forcing them into pragmatic, measured growth was absolutely not like what you've just described.

    Worth a reminder here that the Cosmos have yet to play a frigging game, and selling jerseys is not exactly an indicator that you're actually going to be a financial powerhouse.

    You would say that. You know why you would say that? Because you're frigging clueless.

    Your ideas are intriguing to me and I want to subscribe to your newsletter. You know nothing about St. Pete, the Bay Area, or what kind of return you'd get on just "draping" (whatever that means) merchandise all over.

    Of course, it's helpful when you're owned by a Russian bazillionaire and you basically don't have to worry about that pesky detail that most lower-level soccer teams have to concern themselves with, which is not losing your ass.

    Which takes years to develop.

    Don't forget Frisco! That's the huge problem with FC Dallas!

    As a fictional president once said, "Well, thanks for trying, but here I am, anyway."
     
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    Look at my response to that point. Once you get to 11 teams, you move to something closer to the Liga MX format where you play everybody once during each season with a small playoff setup (or no playoff other than the Soccer Bowl). That allows for the format to work for up to 16 teams or so.
     
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    Now I know who was really behind the "Metros Playoff Fever" and "Red Bulls Take Manhattan" campaigns.
     
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    Oh God, not this douche canoe. Who let John out of his pen?!
     
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    I must be missing something.
     
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    I was a big fan of the J-League split season, upon which this is based, so I love it. However, as the point has been made, it sort of cramps their style from an expansion perspective.
     
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    To be fair, split seasons have existed as far back as 1892 in American baseball, so the J-League can't exactly claim to be "the" model. (The J-League model also had a two-legged final and had two years where a team won both halves and so they didn't have a final.) So if it's "based" on this, it's different enough to look more like a minor-league baseball model (many many leagues have used a split-season format in this country for decades.) And the J-League didn't use it every year and hasn't used it since 2004. The original ASL had split seasons in the late 1920s and early 1930s.
     
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    It's not so much the double season format, but the fact that J-League had double round robin in both seasons.

    However, that became unmanageable when they reached 14 clubs as it meant they were playing 52 games a year. Yowza. Talk about fixture congestion.
     
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    Yeah until it got out of hand.
     
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    Which, if you believe NASL and their expansion plans, should be 2014 when they claim they'll have 12ish teams.
     
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    The spring champ gets to host so it can sell tickets for six months. Sound financial sense. From a competition standpoint, I like your suggestion of the team with the best overall record hosting. However, that complicates things. Keep it simple.
     
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    I don't think it's a poor decision, I bet Toronto fans would love it considering they were out of playoffs since July. It gives every team who sucked another chance.

    and it's exactly the same schedule as Polish 2nd division: probably every 2nd division leagues have the same schedule, we don't have pro/rel hence the championship at the end.

    http://www.90minut.pl/liga/0/liga6219.html
     
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    I said one game "playoff"........... NASL will not have playoffs next season.
     
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    And Toronto would have been out of the playoffs in April in the Spring season and September in the Fall season.
     
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    I am still not sure what you mean by this, but if it was easy, then all the teams would be doing it and we would certainly know what you are babbling about.

    Could you please take your Ritalin or Adderall before posting? Your ADD is killing me. Go post your fantastic theory about USL Pro logos in the appropriate place.
     
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    I thought the points reset after spring competition.
     
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    They do.. Toronto just sucked that bad.
     
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    I don't want to wade into the crazy to check his twitter, but I don't think he would be happy. Still no pro/rel. No fall to spring schedule. And there is still a game at the end of the season to decide the champion. Ironically, the team with the best record for the entire year might not even make the championship game.

    Basically the NASL schedule is now in line with the MLS schedule, running late March to early November with an odd month break in the middle, and without the playoffs. And the playoffs seem to have been scrapped for financial reasons rather than the NASL rejecting them on some principle. Which means they will probably come back. MLS and the NASL also both have one game to decide the trophy between two teams. This is not part of Ted's wet dream of an American EPL and Championship.
     
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    Yes, it would suck for Toronto fans, now they get disappointed once per year early on, with NASL they would be disappointed 2 times per year. :p
     
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