Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by argentine soccer fan, Sep 13, 2012.
Oh shit. How am I supposed to get my Doritos-stained skin in the game?
All it showed was a Google page of the Affordable Care Act. Good starting point for you.
See, this is how debate works. I post links to prove my point. You posts links to prove your point.
The link you showed just links to the Affordable Care Act. Didn't see anything that would change my mind . You didn't dig at all. Nice try.
See, I don't work to prove your point. You have to do that.
Here you go. Note that we're not saying that the government will not be involved. The government is involved in regulating the private insurance companies. You're making shit up when you demand a link that says that the government will not be involved at all -- it would be nice if you would stop making shit up.
Solyndra is only $500 million down the rathole. No biggie. George kaiser thinks it was no biggie too.
If they are regulating the private insurance companies isn't government taking over health care then?
Or, at least Obamacare. Which means it is being run by the government? Yes?
OK, so if your links don't prove your point, can we stop and just post pictures of kittens?
Ignorant conspiracy theories will be eviscerated wherever they crop up.
Private companies will be providing the insurance. State government will set up health care exchanges - marketplaces, sort of - where people can go to shop for a plan.
I believe that there are government subsidies to help low-income people buy insurance and, of course, compliance with the mandate will be overseen by the IRS.
But the government will not be running the actual insurance plans themselves. We will still do business with companies such as Kaiser, Blue Cross, etc.
Another thing, you have nerve asking for links when you've ignored links already provided.
No. Your reading comprehension sucks. Try harder.
And here's another one for you to tackle, Schapes:
PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'
An inaccurate claim
"Government takeover" conjures a European approach where the government owns the hospitals and the doctors are public employees. But the law Congress passed, parts of which have already gone into effect, relies largely on the free market:
• Employers will continue to provide health insurance to the majority of Americans through private insurance companies.
• Contrary to the claim, more people will get private health coverage. The law sets up "exchanges" where private insurers will compete to provide coverage to people who don't have it.
• The government will not seize control of hospitals or nationalize doctors.
• The law does not include the public option, a government-run insurance plan that would have competed with private insurers.
• The law gives tax credits to people who have difficulty affording insurance, so they can buy their coverage from private providers on the exchange. But here too, the approach relies on a free market with regulations, not socialized medicine.
PolitiFact reporters have studied the 906-page bill and interviewed independent health care experts. We have concluded it is inaccurate to call the plan a government takeover because it relies largely on the existing system of health coverage provided by employers.
It's true that the law does significantly increase government regulation of health insurers. But it is, at its heart, a system that relies on private companies and the free market.
Damn. I didn't expect you to confirm my statement about your complete lack of intellectual curiosity so quickly. Yet again, I doff my hat to you, sir.
On a completely unrelated note. Where do you stand on whether or not Obama is a natural born citizen? How about whether or not Obama applied to Occidental College as a foreign student?
The problem is no one can come up with a link that companies won't drop healthcare once Obamacare is up and running in 2014. No one has proved that point. Because they know companies will. The Washington Times article I posted proves it.
$500 billion? Really? Liar.
Regulations are not the same thing as takeovers.
Obamacare take the Wheel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not sure that the word reading needs to be in that sentance.
They are in the GOP mind.
What? We can't dump PCB's in the water? Government Takeover!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have to assume that the State Department did it's job vetting him as a citizen until proven otherwise.
Why he doesn't release his transcripts? I want to see the straight A's he got and how brilliant he is.
this is a mindblowingly stupid post...by your definition the government has taken over everything it regulates
So your not going to prove your point?
I was told a couple of pages back it wasn't government run healthcare. So which is it. You guys need to get your story straight.
You can prove something with an article in the Moonie paper but the rest of us have to quote a "specific line in the ACA"?
Whoops my typo. Let me rephrase....$500 Million....there!!
Separate names with a comma.