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Discussion in 'International News' started by JBigjake, Sep 16, 2010.

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  1. Mr. Conspiracy

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    No it is war. A war which BTW was declared on the US by Osama Bin Laden. As for the who, these drones have cameras on them and we have face recognition software to match up suspected terrorists. Of course the alternative is to just use B-52's and carpet bomb the area.

    As for suspected of terrorism by who, isn't it clear it is by the US? Do you think we don't have the capability to track these attackers across the border when they hit us in Afghanistan? And as for decrying the use of drones, well no tears will be shed on this side of the pond by me over their use. Not when you look at the attacks on the WTC in 93 by AQ, or the truck bombings against our embassies in the 90's or the barracks in SA, or the Cole attack, or 9/11.

    The US did nothing to obl to warrant his psychotic vendetta against the US. He certainly objected to US troops in SA, but too bad, we were there by invite and because sa was afraid of falling to saddam. Nobody told obl to declare war on the US


    You reap what you sow, he wanted a war with the US and he got one. Drones are an instrument of this war. You want the drone strikes to stop? Let aq ask for peace and stop being terrorists.
     


  2. Umar

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    I'm glad you accept that this is a war and that the US's random strikes are therefore acceptable, and i presume you also accept that alqaeda's random attacks are similarly justified in these wars.

    Don't talk about face recognition software which is a complete red herring. The nature of the signature strikes is that the don't know and don't care about the individual identification of the target - they are targeting on the basis of suspicious activity, not individual identification.
     
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    It is a war that aq started. And when they attack military targets that is part of a war. But they don't stick to those targets do they? And these US strikes are not random. We have traced, and id'ed targets before strikes are launched. Fact is they have been very successful and that is why aq has gone to the govt. in pakistan to put pressure on them to try and have them stopped.

    Now as for the suspicious activity, perhaps if aq wore some sort of recognized uniform then they would be more easily id'ed. Same for the taliban, but since they don't, well you fight the enemy as they are. aq should have thought about the US fighting back before attacking us.
     
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    You obviously haven't been reading so I won't bother trying to repeat what signature strikes are, and the differences between such strikes and "personality strikes" against a specified person.
     


  5. Mr. Conspiracy

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    Well we all know you think that the US should only fight aq and the Taliban on a battlefield even though one doesn't exist and those 2 won't come out and face us troops openly.
     
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    Targets do not necessarily need to be individuals, they can just as easily be installations. Ultimately it comes down to the fact that had AQ not pulled off 9/11 and to a lesser degree the Cole and the Kohar tower..... bombings then odds are pretty good that none to little of these strikes would be happening, would you agree?
     
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    Those days of that type of warfare are long gone. I think it was JFK that really endorsed and supported the growth of Special Operations units as he felt that was going to be the future of how wars were fought. He was right. You said it best when you said that you reap what you sow.
     
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    This is certainly true. "Blowback" is a bitch, ain't it?
     
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    The blowback is the US war in Afghanistan. The drone strikes are some of that blowback. Aq and the Taliban are. Reaping what they sowed by declaring war on the US
     
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    They sure are. Of course this is the "chicken or the egg" scenario and odds are probably good that you and I wouldn't agree with who started this whole mess in the first place.
     
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    Hopefully the drone strikes will continue and intensify against the terrorists hiding out in pakistan, and soon we will get al zahwiri.
     
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    Actually I hope they stop and the US just leaves Pakistan/Afghanistan all together and let them sort it out amongst themselves. I would guess that the sorting out amongst themselves would be much worse than anything the US is doing over there.
     
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    I would love to hear how anyone can think the US started this war with aq when I have already posted video of obl declaring war on the US
     
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    It all started because of US policies, didn't you know that?
     
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    We should keep up the drone strikes til al zahwiri is dead or captured, since he is the last of the leadership behind 9/11. We know Pakistan won't do anything to capture him. Once that is done we should leave the region, that includes removing bases from sa.
     
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    Lol I have heard that.
     
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    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-afghanistan-bombingbre85508f-20120606,0,7285956.story
    Umar you made a remark about how the US drone attacks were terrorism especially when they attack a funeral. Well here is a situation where the terrorists attacked civlians and then had a follow on attack on the crowd gathered to try and help.
     
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    Yep, and it is a despicable act. You won't find me condoning it. Yet you always seem to have a list of excuses ready when the US or ISAF do it. Strange, isn't it?
     
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    What excuses do I use? You seem to thik the US bombs away with drones at anything that moves and I disagree.
     
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    Best way is just to withdraw now, call home your troops so resources can be used domestically to enhance your defence/security.

    When he dies another one will step up to the plate and replace him, and so the vicious cycle never ends.
     
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    I do agree that it is well past time to leave the area, nothing the US does will ever be acceptable or right. I would say though that the US should make it very clear that if another attack happens against the US that the response will be very severe regardless of where the cowards are hiding.
     
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    I do agree that it is well past time to leave the area, nothing the US does will ever be acceptable or right. I would say though that the US should make it very clear that if another attack happens against the US that the response will be very severe regardless of where the cowards are hiding.
     
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    I've said this from the beginning. There is no amount of money or effort in the world that can force a region (face it, Afghanistan is only a country in name and the western half of Pakistan isn't controlled by Pakistan) to quickly jump from the political, economic and cultural norms of an essentially agrarian, chiefdom-based Iron Age society to those of a modern nation state, even if the populace wanted to. Which they don't. They need to do it themselves or with the help of international aid agencies, if they so choose.

    Take our troops and our money home and on the way out, tell every last village chief: "This area is yours. Do with it what you will. But we won't be invading you again like this war or the Russians before us. And there won't be any rebuilding money. No, the next time you support people who attack us, your old Soviet rifles won't protect you from the bombs and missiles we will continue to rain down until we're satisfied that those who wish us harm are no longer sheltered here. Have a nice day."
     
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    Not likely. As countries go us and the Europeans like heroin too much to stop our money from going there.
     
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    They can have our heroin money. Poppies are an agricultural product. Opium and heroin have a market value. I wish them the best of luck with their poppy-based economy.

    It's the billions in "aid" that barely makes it off the plane in Kabul before it disappears that I'm talking about.
     
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