Paul Scholes retires.

Discussion in 'Manchester United: History' started by Dark Savante, May 31, 2011.

  1. benni...

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    The answer is not realistic because he not coming to us.

    I could just as easily say, Bastien Piggstepper is the answer to our problems, but is he going to come here? ******** no.


  2. cr7torossi

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    And both those campaigns were played with defensive more-European tactics.
  3. Invincible

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    Was that Carrick's fault? A player can only do so much when their hands are tied.
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    I fail to see the relevance of this when discussing his effectiveness in protecting the back four. That's a specific task. If I ask you to protect the bank, I don't expect you to buy a big gun to shoot robbers with or a fast car to catch them with, I expect you to update the alarm system and the vault technology.


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    So reducing the job the defense has to do is not equal to protecting the back 4.

    Ok!
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    Possible when you have an elite defensive midfielder.

    Well, should we now compare Ronaldo to Rio? FFS it is all obviously interrelated but I'll tell you what, you are vastly overstating Keane's abilities if you are seeking to use him as a "offense is the best form of defense" example.


    @benni - your original question made no stipulation about likely to come to United. I thought you were asking who I thought would be Carrick's ideal partner not who was available and might come who I think would work. That's an entirely different question. Which I've already answered when I said Nasri/Banega/Gago/Morrison.
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    Possible when you score 12 goals in 10 games.

    Both of us just agreed that Keane in his prime was not a DM.
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    Is there a point here? If we'd deployed Keane in those games the manner in which we deployed Carrick would we have conceded fewer? If not, then I don't see what your point is.
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    I don't think Vidal is 100% set on Bayern. He's said he wants to follow Heynckes but if a bigger club shows interest and is aggressive in doing so, he could be swayed away. It's just that United aren't aggressive enough when it comes to these types of transfers.

    The last major player they tried to go for was Ronaldinho and that was a summer long saga that I think changed the club's transfer policy quite a bit. It's made United far more passive regarding top talent.
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    You just compared Vidal to Ronaldinho. Even on a wum, that is special.
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    Well..I think you know what was meant by that..but I'll repeat clearer - when it comes to top talent outside the Premiership, there is a pattern. The Ronaldinho transfer saga was the catalyst for United's pattern regarding these types of transfers.
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    The point is that the defense had to do less work despite playing a more attacking game.
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    How did this "pattern" apply to Ronaldo, Anderson and Nani?
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    Vidal is a promising player who I rate highly, but his stock does not put him in "major" transfer status. Only after he proves himself at a big club will people be aware of him at a level he deserves. We lost out on Ronnie to Barca, having made a bid. Vidal might go to Bayern without anyone launching a competing bid. You make an interesting and somewhat valid point, but I don't think it applies particularly to this transfer outside of the fact that Vidal is not in England.
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    None of these apply first of all because none had the experience a Vidal for instance has. And I would only rate Ronaldo as the genuine talent out of those three - only he looked like he could be molded to be something special. Anderson and Nani had potential most hyped youngsters have but they were always going to be a gamble. We're talking certified talent.
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    You are making statements in hindsight here.

    Anderson, without a doubt, was as hyped as say a Goetze is now and was considered as amongst the best talents.
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    He's got European experience and WC experience. I think that puts him at a higher level. It's fairly obvious he's one of the best in his position already, if that wasn't already the case. Only a move to La Liga or Prem will remove any kind of reluctance to call him world class but to me he's easily top tier in his position already.

    Inter have been interested actually for several years now but he plays in the Bundesliga so talent there is generally ignored from the big two and Seria A, for irrational reasons of course. I think if he doesn't move this summer he will catch major attention next season since he will be playing in the CL.
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    imagine if MacGuyver had a child with Chuck Norris and he played in midfield (CM, AM, DM both flanks) and both fullback positions.
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD0p-wfCARk"]YouTube - Gore Vidal v.s. David Dimbleby on Election Night[/ame]

    A date which will live in infamy.
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    God.
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    So he doesn't exist then. RoM's confusion is understandable.
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    Vidal is the only true God. All other gods are fake.
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    I'm offended.
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    I'm sorry that you feel that way but the truth is Vidal is lord and you must accept him as your lord and savior or else he will destroy you.

    Thank you and remember, Vidal loves you.

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