Recert test question

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  1. BlackBart

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    So what's the answer? Are any of these answers right? What not just keep playing?

    I'll delete this post if it is inappropriate to post a test question.


    A Red defender heads the ball to her goalkeeper who takes possession of the ball with her hands while in her goal area to prevent opponents from challenging for the ball.
      1. Dropped Ball
      2. Direct Free Kick
      3. Penalty Kick
      4. Kick-Off
      5. Indirect Free Kick


  2. Yale

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    IFK for trickery? Pretty vague description of the exact circumstances in the question, but that's the only thing I can think of. If it has to be one of those choices, I guess I'd have to go with that one by default (as in, I can't see any possible way it could be any of the other ones).

    Another thought: Did the test maybe say something like “Assume you've blown the whistle to stop play after the events described”? If so, maybe it's a dropped ball for a mistaken whistle?
  3. Thezzaruz

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    Yea definitely seems to be something missing in the question.
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    I suspect this is one of the infamous "For questions X through Y, assume you have stopped play for the infraction described. Indicate the correct restart" type questions.

    Think it through.

    Is there an infraction?

    If so, what is the correct restart?

    If not, what do you do then?
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  5. Errol V

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    Last year our recert test had several questions that did not have enough information to answer.

    There was none of that this year, but I supposedly missed seven questions, including one of the easiest ones. The application showed me a list of them at the end, and the descriptions of most of them did not match the originals. I don't know who writes these things, but it doesn't appear to be very well done.
  6. hornetbiz

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    Andy is right on. This question was part of a batch asking what the correct restart is. Lots of questions at my recert clinic on this one. I would strongly urge you to use Andy's thought process to arrive at the correct answer.
  7. R.U. Kiddingme

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    I've had a very similar experience.
    Missed six, and the list of my incorrectly answered questions has been about the same for two years now.
    I keep it documented but don't know where to go to ask about this. Likewise I didn't know if discussing test questions here was appropriate.
    As an example,
    Player takes off shirt after goal and waves it around, what do you do.
    I know I marked the "caution the player" check mark, but this answer has been showing up as incorrect for two years now.
  8. Eastshire

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    As Andy said, the section that question is in says that you stopped the game because of the situation described. Given that you stopped the game, one of those is the correct restart.
  9. JimEWrld

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    Let me add the part you are missing for this question:

    Following Andy's logic:

    Is there an infraction? As written, no. No Infraction

    If so, what is the correct restart? ............

    If not, what do you do then?
    Take a look at Law 8... specifically the section where it talks about dropped balls....


    That said, even without the red text above, how can we reach this answer? We can eliminate three choices immediately. Even if we were to assume trickery, we know that will not result in a DFK (or therefore a PK). We also know the ball did not enter the goal so we can eliminate kick-off. This leaves us with dropped ball and IFK. This is where you have to remember to not read too much into these questions. If the answer was supposed to be IFK, the test question would have in some way specified trickery. Do not assume what is not there. Therefore we can eliminate IFK and say the restart is a dropped ball for an inadvertent whistle.
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  10. andymoss

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    Start with your SDI.
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  11. Christopher

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    This was question #21 on the Advanced Referees Recertification. There is no infringement since any player at anytime may head the ball to any other player with the exception of the dynamics of the 'pass back' situation or 'trickery'. The answer is that since the whistle was an incorrect action the whistle is deemed an 'inadvertent whistle' and the restart is a dropped ball.
  12. campbed

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    Just don't want anyone getting a 100 score you know... Read your instructions for that section, drop ball (with Man Management thrown in so the ball is not contested?)
  13. R.U. Kiddingme

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    Thanks, I'll do that...
    er-uh, just one thing, what's an SDI? :)
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    I applaud the fact that they made the recert questions harder since there are way too many folks on the fields who don't know the LOTG. Having said that, this is another example of a "gotcha" question where this becomes more a reading comprehension test rather than a case of knowing the LOTG.

    On a question that is worded like the one in the original post, folks tend to think too much about it and probably incorrectly selected "indirect free kick" thinking it was a trick question.
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  18. Bubba Atlanta

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    ...but he'll probably change his e-mail address, what with the uptick in spam he's now going to experience.
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  19. NHRef

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    Not a fan of some of the question wording, but have to disagree on this one. It's crystal clear, it's the test takers that read things in then don't think.

    It's clear, a defender headed the ball to the keeper, keeper picks it up, you blow the whistle. Now what?
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  20. socal lurker

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    But none of us would ever blow the whistle and immediately realize we should not have . . . ;)

    More seriously, I agree with NHRef -- this is one of those areas of referee tests that is a kind of classic -- and should probably be noted in any introductory ref training as to how these questions can get asked.
  21. BlackBart

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    My question comes from the online test in Reflink. I just looked at the test again and there is no introduction along the lines of "play has been stopped and what is the restart". Had that introduction been there, there would be a correct answer: dropped ball, for an inadvertent whistle.
  22. socal lurker

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    Maybe its kinda like the LOTG, and they stop putting it in because everyone knows that's what it means . . . :rolleyes::D
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  23. fairplayforlife

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    Its dropped ball. The question started showing up last year or the year before. I get that is tricky but it is answerable if you read the directions. If you miss it two years in a row then I have no help for you. The tests don't change that much from year to year and you should be on the look out for repeats. Especially ones like this.
  24. Paper.St.Soap.Co

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    A cursory search of Google shows his email address was already painted across the interwebs, so I doubt it will be a problem.
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  25. Rufusabc

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    There has to be a better way to ask that type of question. It's obtuse. It needn't be obtuse.
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