Rumored NASL expansion cities

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  1. AndyMead

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    Re: 4 Rumored Cities

    The Bizjournals studies (I thought they were updated annually) are very good snapshots, but they're not particularly good at trends.

    They also have a gaping hole on non-Big 4 sports. The Sounders definitely take a slice out of the Seattle market, but then UT takes a big one out of Austin, and UNC and NC State take their piece of the Raleigh-Durham pie (Duke, not as much as you would think).

    The big problem with reading too much into these analysis is demographic shifts. In 1997 when the Whalers moved south, Raleigh-Durham had 1.2 million people. I believe the 2012 number is over 1.8. I'm not sure 50% growth every 15 years is sustainable, but while the Triangle might not currently have the "excess income" to support an second major league team, it's only a matter of time.


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    Re: 4 Rumored Cities

    what about a minor-league team turning into a major-league team?

    like Seattle,Portland,Vancouver,Montreal.
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    Re: 4 Rumored Cities

    All this speculation and fan boy dreams about which markets to expand to fly in the face of reality. Go back and listen to the IMS podcast again with the commissioner. I mean really listen to him. He admits, that the USSF standards for Div II puts the NASL in much the same boat as MLS when it comes to expansion. They can't just pick empty cities and put teams there. They need qualified owners.

    Downs said that he is working on finding the owners that can make expansion happen. That is tough work. Most of the USL Pro clubs owners are more than likely unqualified for Div II, so don't expect to see any of those clubs poached. There are a few USL organizations that could make the jump (i.e. Ottawa), but the huge headline for the NASL this year is that they didn't have any clubs fold. Hopefully the league solidifies this year with a growth in attendance and they return every club next year. One of the clubs making a run in the Open Cup would be gravy.

    The USL Pro will likely be more of a churn and burn group, with PDL clubs coming up to fill holes as needed.
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    Re: 4 Rumored Cities

    Yes that is the issue with Expansion talk; we talk about what city will make sense, and this and that.

    But really the important part is ownership groups, the city does not matter as much as a willing owner, be it NYC, Boston or Wichita Kansas (as long as the city has more than 750K in the metro area).

    I see the same issue with MLS NY2, they keep talking stadium and team with the hope that some rich NY owner will appear out of the blue. (then again MLS LLC has the funds to carry a league owned team for a few years before they find an owner).


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    Re: 4 Rumored Cities

    ABSOLUTELY! NASL, like MLS, will go where the money is. The sizes of the markets the league expands to are not, in the end, more important than the long-term viability of the league. It's all about dedicated ownership groups and rabid fans.
  6. SoccerPrime

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    Re: 4 Rumored Cities

    So (maybe) San Diego, Detroit, Indianapolis, Nashville and now NYC.

    Are there any other potentials, maybe ones with interested parties in the cities or at least mentioned by NASL?
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    Re: 4 Rumored Cities

    By my research there are about 50-60 cities we can speculate on. First of all some American ciites are huge and could hold a MLS team and a NASL team so I will leave on the list cities with 5+ million people.

    1. New York city proper
    City pop: 8.274 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern
    2 NBA, 2 NHL, 2 MLB, 2 NFL, 1 MLS. (in the Metro area)
    I think only 4 in the city area (2 MLB, 1 NBA, 1 NHL).

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    2. Los Angeles-
    Metro. pop: 12.874 Mil
    Time Zone: Pacific
    2 NBA, 1 NHL, 2 MLB, 2 MLS

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    3. Chicago
    Metro. pop: 9,461,105
    Time Zone: Central
    1 NBA, 1 NHL, 2 MLB, 1 NFL, 1 MLS

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    4. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington
    Metro. pop: 6.371 Mil
    Time Zone: Central
    1 MLB, 1 NHL, 1 NBA, 1 NFL, 1 MLS

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    5. Philadelphia
    Metro. pop: 5.965 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern
    1 NFL, 1 NHL, 1 MLB, 1 NBA, 1 MLS

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    6. Houston
    Metro. pop: 5.946 Mil
    Time Zone: Central
    1 NFL, 1 NHL, 1 MLB, 1 NBA, 1 MLS

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    8. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria
    Metro. pop: 5.582 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern
    1 NFL, 1 NHL, 1 MLS, 1 NBA, 1 MLB

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    10. Boston
    Metro. pop: 4.552 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern
    1 NFL, 1 NHL, 1 MLS (not really in Boston), 1 NBA, 1 MLB

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    11. San Francisco-Oakland
    Metro. pop: 4.335 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern
    2 NFL, 2 MLB, 1 NBA,

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    12. Detroit
    Metro. Pop.: 4.403 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern
    1 MLB, 1 NBA, 1 NHL, 1 NFL, bad economy.

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    13. Phoenix
    Metro. Pop.: 4.364 Mil
    Time Zone: Mountain
    1 NBA, 1 NHL*, 1 NFL, 1 MLB

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    14. Riverside-San Bernardino
    Metro. Pop: 4,143 Mil
    Time Zone: Pacific
    Could also be considered part of great LA area

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    17. San Diego
    Metro. Pop.: 3.054 Mil
    Time Zone: Pacific
    1 MLB, 1 NFL

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    18. St. Louis
    Metro. Pop.: 2.829 Mil
    Time Zone: Central
    1 MLB, 1 NFL

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    20. Baltimore
    Metro. Pop.: 2.691 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern
    1 NFL, 1 MLB

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    22. Pittsburgh
    Metro. pop: 2.356 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern
    1 MLB, 1 NFL, 1 NHL

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    25. Orlando
    Metro. pop: 2.134 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern
    1 NBA, 1 USL

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    26. Cincinnati
    Metro. Pop.: 2.172 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern
    1 MLB

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    27. Sacramento
    Metro. Pop.: 2.127 Mil
    Time Zone: Pacific
    1 NBA

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    28. Cleveland
    Metro. Pop.: 2.091 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern
    1 NBA, 1 MLB, 1 NFL

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    30. Las Vegas
    Metro. Pop.: 1.903 Mil
    Time Zone: Pacific

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    32. Charlotte
    Metro. pop: 1.758 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern
    1 NBA

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    34. Indianapolis
    Metro. Pop.: 1.774 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern
    1 NBA, 1 NFL

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    35. Austin
    Metro. Pop.: 1.705 Mil
    Time Zone: Central

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    36. Virginia Beach-Norfolk
    Metro. Pop.: 1.674 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern

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    37. Providence-New Bedford (RI)
    Metro. pop: 1.600 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern
    Close to Foxboro

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    38. Nashville
    Metro. Pop.: 1.582 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern
    1 NFL, 1 NHL

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    39. Milwaukee
    Metro. Pop.: 1.560 Mil
    Time Zone: Central
    1 NBA, 1 MLB

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    40. Jacksonville
    Metro. Pop.: 1.328 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern
    1 NFL,

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    41. Memphis
    Metro. Pop.: 1.305 Mil
    Time Zone: Central
    1 NBA

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    42. Louisville/Jefferson County
    Metro. Pop.: 1.259 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern

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    43. Richmond, VA
    Metro. pop: 1.258 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern

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    44. Oklahoma City, OK
    Metro. Pop.: 1.227 Mil
    Time Zone: Central
    1 NBA

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    45. Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT
    Metro. Pop.: 1.196 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern

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    46. New Orleans
    Metro. Pop.: 1.190 Mil
    Time Zone: Central
    1 NFL, 1 NBA?

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    47. Buffalo-Niagara Falls
    Metro. Pop.: 1.124 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern
    1 NFL, 1 NHL

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    49. Birmingham-Hoover, (AL)
    Metro. Pop.: 1.131 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern

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    51. Rochester NY
    Metro. Pop.: 1,054 Mil
    Time Zone: Eastern

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    52. Tucson, AZ
    Metro. Pop.: 1.020 Mil
    Time Zone: Mountain

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    53. Honolulu, HI
    Metro. Pop.: 953 K
    Time Zone: Hawaii

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    54. Tulsa, OK
    Metro. Pop.: 929k
    Time Zone: Central

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    55. Fresno, CA
    Metro. Pop.: 915k
    Time Zone: Pacific

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    56. Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT
    Metro. pop: 916K
    Time Zone: Eastern

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    57. Albuquerque, NM
    Metro. Pop.: 858k
    Time Zone: Mountain

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    58. Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY
    Metro. Pop.: 858k
    Time Zone: Eastern

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    59. Omaha NE
    Metro. Pop.: 850k
    Time Zone: Central

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    60. New Haven-Milford, CT
    Metro. pop: 862K
    Time Zone: Eastern

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    61. Dayton, OH
    Metro. pop: 841K
    Time Zone: Eastern

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    62. Bakersfield-Delano, CA
    Metro. Pop.: 807k
    Time Zone: Pacific

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    63. Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA
    Metro. pop: 823K
    Time Zone: Pacific

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    64. Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton, PA-NJ
    Metro. Pop.: 816k
    Time Zone: Eastern
    “Steel” city proper is only 71K
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    65. Baton Rouge, LA
    Metro. Pop.: 787k
    Time Zone: Central

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    66. El Paso, TX
    Metro. Pop.: 751k
    Time Zone: Mountain

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    67. Worcester, MA
    Metro. pop: 798K
    Time Zone: Eastern

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    68. McAllen TX
    Metro. pop: 774K
    Time Zone: Central

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    69. Grand Rapids, MI
    Metro. Pop.: 778k
    Time Zone: Central

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    70. Columbia, SC
    Metro. pop: 767K
    Time Zone: Eastern

    Canada


    1. Calgary AB- 1,079,000
    1 NHL, 1 CFL

    2. Quebeck city has less than 750K metro area.
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    Re: 4 Rumored Cities

    Nashville has an NHL team too.
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    Re: 4 Rumored Cities

    But have any outside the original 4 plus NYC been mentioned by NASL or been known to have potential owners?

    And I'm sadden that #91 Scranton/Wilkes-Barre w/ 564,000 didn't make the cut. :(
  10. Luis_Rancagua

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    What about Hamilton, Ontario -- Canada. They have a population 519,949. They have also applied for an NASL bid as of last year.
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    I believe that Hamilton has not applied for the NASL. Tiger cats and Carolina former owner Bob Young said he wanted NASL but also put several requirements on it, such as govt $ for a new stadium. It's been over a year since we heard anything. I doubt it's coming anytime soon.
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    USSF D2 has a rule that only cities over 750K population can have a team in D2, a dumb rule IMO but it is a rule.
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    Re: 4 Rumored Cities

    When was NYC mentioned? Commish Downs said if the Cosmos became MLS club #20, and if they were able to get a stadium built in NYC, he would love to have them play in the NASL for a couple of years. As they waited for the stadium to be built and then joined MLS. It was a lot of hope and wishing with really nothing behind it.

    Right now we can forget about the Cosmos and MLS is looking into building a NYC stadium on their own.
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    That's not the rule. Holy cow, they write the actual rules down and publish them and you people still get them wrong.

    The top 70 metropolitan areas in the US are all over 750,000, but you could still have places like Charleston or Wichita or Greensboro in a D2 league as long as they didn't make up more than 25 percent of the league's teams.
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    I see my confusion was that the 75% was only for US cities.

    "At least 75 percent of the league’s teams must be based in the United States. "

    But I see is also for the 750K, so that means even more options for NASL expansion (if they could find willing owners).

    Now the rule is less dumb, but still dumb IMO. (I understand the reasoning).
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    The reasoning's not dumb. It forces you to put teams in markets with a big enough population base to theoretically better sustain a team than a smaller market could, while not completely ruling out a Charleston or another market that actually can sustain it. It's Big Boy Pants.
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    Re: 4 Rumored Cities

    Considering the SB Nation article was the one the mentioned San Diego, Detroit, Indianapolis, Nashville WITH NO OWNERSHIP INFO and the other articles mention the NASL Commissioner actually saying he made contact with the Cosmos, I think including NYC is just as legit as any.

    But are the other cities, outside of Hamilton, Canada, that have been mentioned at all in conjunction with an interested party?
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    I don't think so, but then there are supposedly 20 groups on the line (according to Downs). I think that in this case, playing it close to the vest is best for the league in the early stages.

    That's especially the case since they don't even have ownership groups lined up for all the teams they've already got. :|
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    So they already signed a deal with a new franchise:

    After last year's back and forth with U.S. Soccer over sanctioning of the NASL, the league recently received a full sanction for second division soccer this year. How is the health of the league currently?
    One of the most important things is our stability at this point. We're returning all but one team, and the one team is being promoted to the MLS, so you can't exactly fault us for that. San Antonio, we feel, is going to be an incredible replacement for them.
    We announced a team in Canada (Ottawa) already, and we've signed another team to a deal and haven't quite announced them yet. I'm in discussion with over a dozen teams right now about potentially joining the league. I think you're going to see us prudently making the right choices along the way, expanding fairly significantly over the course of the next 5-10 years up to about 20 teams. I think we're here for a long time to stay.


    Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...model-for-Scorpions-3432703.php#ixzz1qAibQtZ2
  20. SoccerPrime

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    Come on Scranton!

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  21. eclipse02

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    Its Iacon Bots and followed by Kaon Cons. As A Prime you should know this. lol
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    Last year while being interviewed on the Ultras Alive podcast Tim Robbie accidentally let slip about the Ottawa expansion team before it was officially announced. He will be on Ultras Alive again tonight talking with the guys, so maybe we can get him to slip up again and let us know who this new team is! LOL
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    I'll be listening.
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    Hamilton approved a stadium reno last year and Bob Young still hopes to get an NASL team according to this story :

    http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/01/31/its-official-hamilton-council-approves-stadium-plan/

    NASL mentioned at end of story.
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