Sheep Draft 4 - Main Thread

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by lanman, Jan 17, 2013.

  1. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

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    Firstly, a repeat of the rules.

    Unlike other drafts here, there is no draft order but each pick must match some specific set of criteria I will specify. Every participant will have to submit their choice of player by PM to me (so that all is kept secret each round) although there is a catch. If only one drafter selects a player then they get to draft him. If more than one person selects a player then the player is moved to the banned list and cannot be drafted until the final round. If the player does not match the criteria, then the drafter must pick again in the next round but the player will not be banned.

    Those failing to get their player will then have to submit a second choice with the same criteria and process being applied (note that those players successfully drafted will not be revealed yet). If they fail again, a third and final submission will be made. If anyone has failed on all three chances, then they will receive a Sheep pick (details in a later post).

    Each drafter will eventually end up with 12 players (although some rounds may involve picking two players) and must be able to form a recognised team including goalkeeper. At the end, everyone will vote for a winner.

    As an example:

    Criteria: Select a player who has played in a World Cup Final.

    Drafter 1- Pele
    Drafter 2- Maradonna
    Drafter 3- Puskas
    Drafter 4- Puskas
    Drafter 5- Zidane
    Drafter 6- Zidane
    Drafter 7- Eusebio
    Drafter 8- Muller

    I would then announce:

    Drafter 1- Pass
    Drafter 2- Pass
    Drafter 3- Fail - Puskas selected more than once
    Drafter 4- Fail - Puskas selected more than once
    Drafter 5- Fail - Zidane selected more than once
    Drafter 6- Fail - Zidane selected more than once
    Drafter 7- Fail - Player does not match criteria
    Drafter 8- Pass

    Banned: Puskas, Zidane

    Drafters 3, 4, 5, 6 & 7 must pick again

    Drafter 3- Muller
    Drafter 4- Moore
    Drafter 5- Beckenbauer
    Drafter 6- Muller
    Drafter 7- Ronaldo

    Results:

    Drafter 3- Fail - Player already drafted in round
    Drafter 4- Pass
    Drafter 5- Pass
    Drafter 6- Fail - Player already drafted in round
    Drafter 7- Pass

    Drafters 3 & 6 pick again

    Drafter 3- Moore
    Drafter 6- Romario

    Results

    Drafter 3- Fail - Player already drafted in round
    Drafter 6- Pass

    Drafter 3 is to have a player selected for him.


  2. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

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    The rules:

    Player Naming - no player naming unless they have been revealed by myself from the successful picks, the banned list or suggested as sheep. Sheep suggestions should only be made after I have asked for them.

    Picks - Picks should be sent via pm to myself. In some instances, I may ask for further information to back up their eligibility. This is to make things easier for myself in checking (such as in the "Played in a World Cup final" critirea I may have asked for the year to be stated along with the pick).. If this is required I will clearly identify this when setting the criteria.

    Time limits - 48 hours for the first pick, 24 hours for the subsequent 2 picks. Weekends count as either one day or two, so any stage announced on a Friday will have a deadline on the Sunday. Sheep must be selected by the completion of the first pick of the following round.

    Missed picks - If you miss your pick it will be an automatic fail. If there are still picks to be made in that round you can just join in with the 2nd or 3rd pick. If you have missed a pick, you can make a supplemental pick (at the same time) who will be valid after all successful picks for that round.
    If you miss the third pick then you get a sheep.

    Teams - From your 12 picks, you must be able form a team in a recognised formation. You don't have to necessarily play players in their prefered position, but you may be marked down in the final vote. You must pick a goalkeeper in the first 11 picks as there may be no goalkeepers for selection or as sheep available in round 12. If you do not have a goalkeeper and do not pick one in round 11 then it will be an automatic failure and a sheep goalkeeper will be allocated if required. One player can be left out altogether, allowing for a bit of flexibility or possibly removing a sheep.

    Voting - Once the draft has completed, all drafters will be asked to post their team. If you want you can add a bit of a write up to explain how the team will play. After this, all drafters will be asked to submit a ranking off all other teams (from first to last) via pm. 1st place will be worth 1 point, 2nd 2 points etc. The lowest score wins and I will post the final standings when I have received all rankings.

    I reserve the right to add new rules as required in case I have missed anything, although there will be nothing draconian.
  3. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

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    Sheep

    In the event of being unsuccessful with all three picks, you will be assigned a Sheep. Following the first set of picks, successful drafters will start to nominate Sheep. All drafters can attempt to veto any suggestion, and if more than one drafter puts in a veto the player will be made inelligible. Where drafters are teamed up, the team counts as one drafter for these purposes.
    Once the third picks have been made, if any Sheep are required I will randomly select one (or more, if required) successful drafters to assign a Sheep. The Sheep must be able to be accommodated within the drafters lineup - so you can't give a Sheep goalkeeper if the drafter already has a keeper, or if you have three strikers you can't assign a fourth (unless one of the strikers has a record of playing in another position). If the drafter receiving the Sheep objects to the position of the player, I will judge whether the Sheep is valid.

    Questions about the rules are welcome at any time, either in the thread or via pm.
  4. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

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    Round 1

    Select a player who has an immediate or close relative (definitions below) play in a FIFA recognised full international match.

    All picks to be submitted via PM

    Deadline - Monday 21st January 8pm (GMT)

    Definitions:

    An immediate relative is considered a parent, sibling or child of the player.
    A close relative is considered as an immediate relative of an immediate relative (for example a father's brother).
    soccernutter and Twenty26Six repped this.


  5. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

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    Anyone else who has not yet signed up is welcome to join in. Simply post in the thread to say you ant to join and submit your pick.
  6. nicephoras

    nicephoras BigSoccer Supporter

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    Schwuppe and I are in (to confirm).
  7. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member

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    During the last sheep draft you mentioned that you thought about changing the supplemental picks. Some suggested to get rid of them altogether.
    But I see that the rules for missed picks stay the same?

    And you might delete the ' Player Elligibility' part. :D
  8. thebigman

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    me and pdg are in i think!
  9. Lucas Gomes

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    I want to participate. This time, alone. I'm not so long ago on the BigSoccer and my knowledge of players is not so vast, but there seems to be so difficult play (I'll find out)... and the game is for fun and learning. :)
  10. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

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    I'm happy to go with whatever people want:

    Option 1 - No supplemental picks. If you miss a pick then it's simply a fail.
    Option 2 - As per the rules in post #2.

    Majority decision - cast your votes.

    Yes, I think so.
  11. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

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    Yep, we're ok to go ahead in a partnership - PM's have begun!

    I'll think about the question lanman asked about supplemental picks - would only really want harsher rules to deter any missing picks rather than actually have people missing picks and not getting supplemental ones :confused:. Obviously if we have the rule then people might still unintentionally miss a pick and would have to be penalised for it so like I say I'm undecided at present.
  12. schwuppe

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    I'd vote for #2. Sure you can get an unfair advantage by missing picks sometimes, but I think (hope) nobody is abusing this on purpose. And afterall everybody misses a pick once in a while and being to strict about it ruins the fun.

    Like PDG suggests there might be another option to punish people a bit for missing picks but a fail is too harsh.

    How about maybe limiting the number of supplemental picks for each drafter to one or two?
    Like I said it happens once or twice - that's fine. After that make it a fail.
  13. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

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    I think I agree with that actually so I can go down on that side of the argument (if there is one). I didn't think about that for very long lol! But now I can concentrate on the first round with thebigman!
  14. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

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    I'm open to any other suggestions. Having a reserve of a certain number missed picks is fine by me.
  15. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

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    How about the following:

    Maximum of three supplemental picks per team.
    Supplemental picks must be made at the next stage, or they are lost. So if you missed the first pick, you would have to take it at the same time as everyone's second pick - if you don't you would lose the supplemental pick (although this would not remove one from the allocation).
    No supplemental picks for missing the third pick.
  16. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

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    One thing I wondered about before was if anyone does want to miss a pick for tactical reasons (I never have done and don't know if others have or not) they could PM you with that instruction so you know you're not waiting for them? If nobody has ever done that then it doesn't apply but I wasn't sure if sometimes people had done.
  17. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

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    It's never happened. I'm pretty sure all misses have been genuine.
  18. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

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    Ok with all of that except hesitant about the last sentence (although I realise people missing the 3rd pick is what we want to avoid so we don't have to delay and/or PM the results around the rest of us). If it's out there and everyone agrees then there shouldn't be a problem though I guess, and anyone who's going to be away from the computer could PM you with that info and a few reserve picks I guess...
  19. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

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    Ok cool, certainly any 3rd stage misses must have been genuine (I know some people were away unexpectedly at some stages last year).
  20. Vasu

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    Confirmed that I am in, and I am okay with supplemental picks, although I wouldn't mind a hard limit on their number.

    As for the first criteria, I can think of one obvious top player, but I'm sure there will be more. :)
  21. cr7torossi

    cr7torossi Member+

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    Confirmed in.
  22. Karloski

    Karloski Member+

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    I'm still in. Tough opener.
  23. AudereEstFacere

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  24. Vasu

    Vasu Member

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    Okay, having done a bit of research, there are a lot of fish to be had here. I guess this is where the strategy of placing your picks begins... :cool:
  25. cr7torossi

    cr7torossi Member+

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    Au contraire. Most of the all-time greats are eligible, so will be a bit of lottery.

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