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The FIFA Reform: News & Analysis

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by SwissGCZ, Jun 1, 2011.

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  1. Stan Collins

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    It's kinda depressing that they're investigating and 'deposing' Havelange 15 years after he left office and at 97 years of age. They're basically admitting he laughed all the way to the bank.
     


  2. Jeddy Rasp

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    Why oh why don't the top soccer playing countries, 7 or 8 0f them, just get together and pull out of FIFA ? The whole thing would collapse overnight if just Brazil, Italy, France, England, Germany, Spain, Argentina and whoever just said 'enough is enough'. Let the remains of FIFA have a 'World Cup' without this lot and then see who shows up.
     
  3. Rickdog

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    Very likely that at the end, all of them will show up anyway.
    They, already are, among those full of "it" within FIFA.
    ;)
     
  4. Jeddy Rasp

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    Very likley the 7 countries mentioned could hold their own 'world cup', invite a few others and tell 'fifa' to stick it.
     


  5. Rickdog

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    If they do so, they would only be telling themselves to stick it.
    They are FIFA.

    Oh yes, and the next exco member expelled due to bribes, from it, will be another member from another small almost non-football nation, while the big fish in it, keep on swimming in that rotten pool, till they decide by themselves to quit.
    :thumbsdown:
     
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    Reuters 19 April 2013:

    BBC 7 May 2013

    In other words, FIFA have now banned him from attending the FIFA Congress on 30 May.
     
  8. england66

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    Now the useless fcuk is no longer on the take and living high on the hog he''ll actually lose some weight...
     
  9. Stan Collins

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    Well, except no. The problem here in CONCACAF is precisely that islands with the population of a leafy suburb have the same vote as, let's say, Mexico--only those islands have no great stake in the outcome, unless someone promises them handouts, be they in the form of bennies or of bribes (and often the two blur).
     
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    Well, who gave those leafy suburb populations that kind of power in the first place, masked as a democratic vote ?.
    Wasn`t it themselves (FIFA's higher officials)?
    Fact is, is that they like how things are at present times with a basis of corruption present at all times, in order to keep it going as it is, and whenever something "tricky" arises, they simply ban someone who isn`t even known among any of the footballized nations, blaming him for whatever appears as being wrong, when deep in them, they all are, "full of it".
    At present times, who bribes better, without allowing others to know how they bribed or get bribed, is who ends doing whatever he or "they" wants it to be done, and at the end those big fish in the pond, get away with it with no mayor harm on themselves or even on the money they "won" in time, for themselves.
    Best example are recent events concerning Havelange (ex FIFA president and Blatter's master bigboss), Texeira (ex Exco member, former president of FAB and former husband of one of Havelange's daughters) and "Doctor" (lols, :p) Leoz (former president of Conmebol, and also an ex Exco member), whom got to retire to rest wherever they want to (without any punishment), after "receiving" millions in bribe money from doubtful places, after all their extensive years "in" office.

    The very first member of FIFA, whom was the person to imitate and the image after whom others should be modeled to, after him, was surely named Mr. or Sir "Corruption".
    :D
     
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    Chuck's head is what Blatter paid to get Sunil on the ExCo.
     
  12. Stan Collins

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    No, because it happened around the mid-70s, when none of the current people were around. And any rate, just because you chose to hand over control doesn't mean you're still in control.
     
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    mid 70's ?:eek:
    Man, ........ That's a very naive way of thinking.

    FIFA's corruption issues started lots longer before that, when some people started noticing how directly associated was money with football, which led to FIFA's independence movement in regards to the International Olympic Comitee, during early 20's at first, and started to organize its own events during Olympic games, which back to those years, regarded all sports (football included) as mainly being of an amateur nature in opposition to FIFA's interest of it being considered as a semi-professional activity, with great amounts of money being involved in it, and of course how that money was suposed to be distributed afterwards......

    Concacaf's problems, only started once Concacaf was created (late 60's, early 70's), but that doesn't mean that these "corruption issues", only started here, as it already existed in the rest of the world before it.
     
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  15. Jeddy Rasp

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    If the 7 countries mentioned believed that they WERE fifa they could easily pull out of fifa....as it is they just don't have the will to do so....shame really.
     
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    The problem with FIFA is that you have a lot of countries with absolutely no stake in the World Cup voting on matters pertaining to the World Cup.

    How about a rule, for example, that only nations who have qualified for the World Cup in the past 20 years get to vote on World Cup hosting.
     
  19. druryfire

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    FIFA has an Executive Committee who make the decisions. These people are voted on by the regional confederations. All done by a vote. For you to get the countries you want voting, then you need to get your preferred countries into the regional bodies.

    Out of the current crop, only 10 couldn't vote. But why shouldn't they be allowed to vote when they are the ones who the make the decisions in their respective organisations.

    So you have David Chung of Papau New Guinea out of voting just because he represents Papau New Guinea. Your rule would practically wipe out the OFC.

    If your rule was used for age related events, who the Ex-CO also make decisions on, then you'd find a lot of powerful countries currently on the Expco not making the vote.
     
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    Except that going forward, all member countries will be able to vote on future World Cups, not just the ExCo. That's going to open up even more potential for vote-buying and corruption.

    The problem is that in a one nation, one vote system, the hordes of small nations have power which is disproportional to their status within the game. Do you really want FIFA being governed using a system in which the OFC (with 11 members, only one of whom has ever qualified for the World Cup) has more voting power than CONMEBOL (with 10 members and 9 World Cup titles)? I sure as heck don't.

    Only 76 FIFA members have ever appeared in the World Cup...and in a one-nation, one vote system, they are hugely outnumbered by the 133 FIFA members who have never appeared in the World Cup, most of whom have no hope of ever doing so.

    If FIFA does not get its act together, at some point the big and powerful footballing nations are going to get sick of the one-nation, one-vote system and threaten to break away from FIFA if they are not given voting power commeasurate with their status within the game.
     
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    FIFA been around for donkeys and the big nations haven't acted. They've never asked for more voting power because they have to respect the smaller nations which you clearly don't.

    Why is it always the European nations that feel unjustified and the rest of the world gets on with it.
     
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    There's plenty of disquiet in the bigger CONCACAF countries as to the not-so-benign influence of some of its smaller members.
     
  23. england66

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    Bingo..nailed it...and repped....this situation cannot happen fast enough for me.....fcuk Qatar and their bogus, money fueled 'bid' to host anything this side of a sand castle building world cup'...
     
  24. druryfire

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    You want more power for the powerful nations and the little nations get less power if any. So you want a dictatorship rather than a one nation one vote system
     
  25. lanman

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    Is one nation one vote the most democratic way to do things? Or is a collegiate system, where the footballing size of the nation is taken into consideration, more appropriate?

    Is there not an argument that San Marino (with 15 teams) is overrepresented in FIFA with a one nation one vote system compared to Germany (with over 26,000 teams)?
     
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