the quintessential 2013 "do we REALLY need one of these" superdraft thread!

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  1. falvo

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    I can't see why not (from http://www.ussoccer.com/Referees/~/media/747B6FAC3E2D449782C1C30CA6C8DC9A.ashx):

    At the moment of delivering the ball, the thrower:
    • faces the field of play
    • has part of each foot either on the touch line or on the ground outside the
    touch line
    • holds the ball with both hands
    • delivers the ball from behind and over his head
    • delivers the ball from the point where it left the field of play

    Which one of those points did not get met?
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    You missed two of the most important fundamentals. For starters, because he moves and you have to keep your feet still on the ground and your body in place without even flinching or rocking back and forth. Secondly, its wasting time. Those are FIFA rules and I don't know an MLS ref around who wouldn't eventually look for it or call it. I know I would and so would coaches GM's and other teams players.
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    So you're telling me the laws of the game are missing these two fundamentals?


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    Everyone knows this! You are asking or telling me if its legal or not when it isn't and all I'm saying is you can't move on a throw in and you can't waste time! I'm surprised you don't know this!

    Actually, I've been following Harris all season long and even Cobi Jones commented on that flip throw on the PAc-12 network saying "it won't happen in MLS" and I don't foresee it ever happning either.
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    They beat UCLA at UCLA with one of his flip throws this year for the first time in years.
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    Of course they did. I'm not saying it isn't effective, on the contrary it may very well be. I still don't think its a legal throw in, however. Anyway, it won't be used in the pros and I doubt it ever will be. I mean there has to be a reason on why no one has tried it up until now.
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    Everyone knows this? :confused:

    Most everyone, who's not a ref, has not read the laws of the game. :rolleyes:

    I just quoted the specific criteria, from the most up to date laws of the game (The FIFA rules), and there is nothing in there about "hav[ing] to keep your feet still on the ground and your body in place without even flinching or rocking back and forth"

    The rule says: has part of each foot either on the touch line or on the ground outside the touch line

    The rule just says Where you feet have to be, not whether they are moving or not... The fact that the rule specifically uses the phrase "part of each foot..", says, to me, that they don't expect you to be staionary. If they did, the rule would say "all of each foot...", or... (who'd a thunk it?), it might actually have said, "each stationary foot..."

    As far as calling it time wasting... Shit, there are so many ways MLS players take throws now, that take just as long, Beita and Dunavant both come to mind, each taking several seconds to set themselves up for their long throws. Though my favorites are the people who pick the ball up with no intention to throw it, stand there for a moment, then drop the ball and run back onto the field as the "designated ball thrower" strolls/sprints up (depending on how far into the game the throw takes place and whether their team is winning or losing). All that shit is legal...

    And there is nothing in the laws (The FIFA rules) about a time limit on the act of throwing the ball in.

    Maybe a real ref can weigh in on this. But I've been playing this game for the last 40+ years, have managed to stear clear of any embarassing illegal actions (implying a person can go their whole life playing/watching soocer, get a good grasp of the rules, yet never crack a book containing the laws of the game).

    But your declaration that this flip throw can't be legal is the first time I decided to actually find and read a FIFA Laws of the Game, just so I could go find the damning evidience that this guy has been commiting soccer criminal actrivity, and the NCAA refs are so clueless they let him get away with it. It doesn't add up.

    I think the whole "Flip Throw" is a gimmick that only works in college or lower level soccer, and no one would do it in MLS because pro's shouldn't need gimmicks, not because it is illegal.
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    Yes I understand all that but my point remains, I've seen flinching called many times on throw ins (in amateur youth and in the pros) and I can not imagine how a flip throw play like that, would not be called or how refs won't scrutinize the play in the professional game. Anyway, I'll believe flip throw in the pros when I see it.

    Back to the thread, the Quakes current draft picks in the first two rounds are at #15 & #34. Unless they trade up, I don't see any great players at #34 and I'm thinking coaches are starting to get reluctant to trade with Frank especially after trading Wondo and Chavez and the success they have had.
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    we still have our first rounder? i thought we dealt it for Medhi

    but as for picks at 34.......Morrow, Beitashour. thats why you play the game
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    According to wiki we do....
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_MLS_SuperDraft

    This is what it says about Mehdi...

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    oh believe me if we still got our 1st rounder ill be cheesin.
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    profiled repped this.
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    Then there is also the 2013 Supplemental Draft.........
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    Few and very much far between. Wasn't that a Clash jersey from 1996 , 17 years ago?
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    Flip throw ins are legal according to the USSF (http://www.askasoccerreferee.com/?p=1763). Here is a video of one being performed in a professional match in Ireland.
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    In Ireland? LOL, wonder if Robbie Keane ever tried one? :D
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    Here are today's RPI rankings for college soccer teams. Depending on where teams end up, it could impact the MLS draft....Although the NCAA tournament hasn't begun yet , all area schools finished pretty bad. CAL #46, Stanford #50, Santa Clara #54, USF #107, SJSU#111.

    http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/soccer-men/d1/ncaa_mens_soccer_rpi
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    I hope you clean up afterwards! :eek:

    GO QUAKES!!

    - Mark
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    That doesn't mean that we can't find a decent player there. In USL days, Portland drafted a kid out of junior college. He played pretty well for the Timbers, and at the end of the year, went to play for a team in Chile. Not saying that junior colleges are a good source of talent, but you can find a good single player in many funny places. Just because the local schools didn't do well, doesn't mean that there aren't a couple of good players lurking there. And we might get one in a later round or even undrafted because they will tend to be overlooked.

    GO QUAKES!!

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    Yeah but I think its a hit and miss. You look at our 2008 Hermann Trophy winner Marcus Tracy and he hasn't even played in a game yet no one knows if he will or not. The 2007 winner O'Brian White was just released by Seattle and 2002 winner Luchi Gonzalez who Frank picked played in only 8 games. Not sure if the first rounders always pan out but maybe lower rounds or even Supplemental Draft picks might be better in the long run ....
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    this is why you do your homework in the draft is so important. draft should be used to look for depth, like Hustedt, Garza, and Ring. If they stick to your roster, awesome your pick was a success.

    If you get actual starters like Morrow and Beitashour, thats going above and beyond.

    If we got the 15 spot, im looking at whats available there. we could get that vaunted central defense depth we have been looking for. We MIGHT be in the range for an Eric Shoenle, or a Kyle Venter, who could climb given the dearth of defenders in this draft. There seems to be some quality CAMs in that range too. we know they have the highest risk/high reward rate, but maybe we feel it appropriate to roll the dice on say a Matt Lodge or something like that. Someone will fall, they always do. Overall i say we do quite well in the draft.
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    http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/11/12/mls-campus-surefire-top-draft-pick-notre-dame

    The NCAA bracket has been released... Akron is overrated in my opinion and do not deserve a #1 seed

    west coast battle in the early round... winner of USD-Cal State Northridge plays UCLA. UW also repping the pac-12. I'm calling it now... UW will knock Akron off in the 3rd round 1-0 with a goal off a 50 yard flip throw in and shutting down Akron's possession players with their powerful defense.

    http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools.../2012-13/misc_non_event/2012_NCAA_Bracket.pdf
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    Looking at the teams , I really think there is an east-west coast bias in the bidding. Maybe the west coast teams had bad years but I'm talking historically and traditionally.
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