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The Walking Dead (Season 3)

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  1. Dante

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    Thanks, sorry for the misspelled words.

    I've got to admit, that episode drew me back in. Like someone said, they were making up for the boring second season.
     


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    the show is relatively good at the intense zombie kill action, not so much on the character drama. a welcome return in context.
     
  3. SpencerNY

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    Yes. To some extent I think the character drama has been hurt because they have not made an attempt to tell us anything about who the characters were before the zombie event. "Lost" utilized flashbacks to enrich all of their characters and it told the view a lot about why characters were motivated to act the way they did. With this show it still feels like we are working with blank slates with a couple generic characteristics thrown in. Who the heck was Glenn before the zombies? Was Lorie a b*tch hoe back in the day? So how was it growing up with Daryl and big racist bro? In order to get drawn into these characters we really need to care about them and I don't think they've done a good job with that at all, aside from maybe Herschell, Rick and Shane.

    Fortunately the series is entertaining enough that the weakness of the characters isn't a deal breaker.
     
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    No no no, a thousand times no. That was the problem with Lost, all the backstory got in the way of showing what they're doing about being stranded on the island. This show is about what people do when faced with the unbelievable. I don't care who Glenn was. What matters is what is he going to do now.
     
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    I both agree and disagree. I do not think it was a problem for Lost. I actually think that is what made LOST so great. However, the Walking Dead isnt about the character's past, it is about present time so it would not be a good fit for this show.
     
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    Good god, no. This show needs to be a pure survival story, not a love triangle circle-jerk.
     
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    For a format like this, I think it could theoretically benefit from flashbacks filling out characters. For all its exposition we don't get much about these characters in the present. To help contextualize the vast emptiness we see, flashbacks could be useful.

    Then again, better writing for the present can also solve the problem.
     
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    :thumbsdown:

    ...and you got that from me asking for some character development?
     
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    I think Matrim is referring to the Shane-Lori-Rick nonsense from last season. ;)
     
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    Then you missed the whole point of the backstory in Lost. It served to give us an idea on what made the character's tick and added to the whole drama of the thing.

    Lets just say that when Hershell, Glenn or anyone else who might get eaten by a zombie gets eaten by a zombie I should really give a crap. I don't care about any of these characters that much at this point and I think the writers are at fault.

    So far I'm getting a better feeling about this season and am hopeful that they are going to flesh the characters out a bit more.
     
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    Yes, that was super lame and nearly unwatchable, as was the Sawyer, Kate and Jack love triangle on Lost. I sure as hell wasn't calling for that kind of character drama though.
     
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    The characters backstory in LOST was part of the story and their journey on the island. It was a big part of who they were there. In this WD world, their past life has little impact on who they were because they will never return to that. It is no longer relevant. They are new people now.
     
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    Your past has a huge effect on who you are, Zombie Apocalypse or not. We'll agree to disagree on that I guess.

    Are you satisfied with the character development thus far?
     
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    I think it is sufficient to the type of show that it is. I think we know what to expect from each character and what they are capable of.
     
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    Flashbacks are not character development. This show is failing in the character development department, but it's not because of lack of backstory.

    Character is revealed through action and choices. There is no reason they can't develop these characters well through their actions and their choices. What reveals a person's character better than how he or she reacts in a crisis? The problem is one of bad writing, not lack of backstory.

    As for the premiere... I was worried about the loss of Shane, but you could immediately see how it helped the show. The focus moved from interpersonal tension to zombie survival tension, and it was a tremendous improvement. That's what the show should ideally be.

    I did think it was hilarious that you had Lori bringing up very valid concerns about her baby, and Hershel being like, "Oh don't worry about that." And just when I'm thinking they've made Lori be reasonable and tolerable, she goes and starts whining about "Rick hates me because I told him to kill Shane" or some nonsense that literally NOBODY cares about. But otherwise they stayed away from that BS, and as long as they can do that the show will be much more watchable than last year.

    Their stupidity still bothers me, though. Their tactics in taking the prison yard and the cell block were fairly idiotic. And why did they bring Hershel with them when they ventured deeper into the prison? What possible good could he really serve, being older and slower, and being the only person with medical knowledge and therefore way too valuable to lose? Yet again, thick-headed contrivances designed to build drama and tension and requiring the viewer to accept a lot of questionable decision-making.

    But Michonne was cool.
     
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    Yeah, still stupid. There are some things worth seeing (Michonne with her pets) but basically nothing worth listening to. Will definitely be fast forwarding through these this season.
     
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    Finally saw the opener. Pretty brutal. Me like.
     
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    The stupidity of characters in shows like this never ceases to amaze me. In Lost, the survivors had polar bears (!), a cloud monster, and a second group of survivors on the island, yet never (in the season and a half I watched) once set up a lookout. In Walking Dead, Dale would set up lookout, yet somehow he failed to notice a huge zombie herd until they were right upon our plucky crew. There should have been a watch every night, even on Hershel's farm.

    What I liked about this episode is that it finally shows the group dividing up responsibilities, even to include Carl. And they finally got silencers, the lack of which had my daughter screaming at the TV when I showed her the very first episode.

    Heretofore, the group has not really talked about how to solve their crisis, leaving each character to suffer in silence in their own personal hell. And I'm a classic Myers-Briggs introvert, but these guys need to communicate more. Everybody goes off half-cocked doing their own thing. And the one time the one guy who did strive for this communication, Dale, did this, he got killed. Unless you're a Mad Max Road Warrior, doing your own thing in the Zombiepocalypse is going to get you killed.
     
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    Honestly, I find how this all went down is totally realistic. Just think about it, the group was on the run and dealing with missing people, going back to Atlanta, etc. Just when they got the issue with Sophia settled, the shit with Shane happens and then the raid on the farm.

    The group and people individually never really had time to figure shit out and organize themselves. Now that they have had several months with everyone surviving and having to really put things together, they have started to figure it out. That's about how things would go down for most people in a sudden zombie apocalypse. You may think you would be making ideal decisions but I guarantee you, you would not.

    People have this idea that in these situations that people are going to be operating and optimal capacity physically and mentally when most people would probably just crumple and not be able to figure anything out. The fact that it took them several months to figure out how to truly survive in this world is much more realistic than they figuring it from Day 1 or even Day 60. 99% of the people criticizing the actions of the people in this show and how they are acting would probably be dead in the first few days from doing something stupid.
     
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    I have no illusions that I would make correct decisions, or that I would act rationally if my wife and kids had survived with me. I expect that I would be a slow learner as far as learning when someone is beyond help. Once Rick decided to go back into Atlanta to retrieve Merle, I would have been right alongside him. But I do know that it would take me no more than a day to get a watch set up. If I had been crippled and landed on the Lost island able to walk, I sure as heck would have communicated that.

    I have no idea if I would make the correct decisions. But we would know why we were doing what we were doing.
     
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    One thing is for certain, the entire group is made up of some of the best sharp shooters anywhere. Even Carl, using a pistol and making head shots over 50 feet away.
     
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    I'm not talking about their overarching long-term decision making. Obviously they have no idea what to do or where to go, and are making decisions ad-hoc. I have no problem with that.

    I'm talking about their moment-to-moment decision making. Like making camp at the edge of a woods within a few short miles of a city infested with millions of zombies. And a quarry blocking one of your avenues of escape. I think even in a crisis situation, most of us would have the wherewithal to say, "Zombies could easily approach us through these woods without us seeing them until it's too late. We should continue moving until we find a more defensible place to settle." I guess a lot of people wouldn't think that way, but those people also wouldn't survive.

    In this episode, the stupidity was in choices the characters made to create drama which tactically made no sense for them. For example, when they were outside the prison yard, they found they could attract the zombies to the periphery and kill them through the fence using jabbing weapons. They could have killed every zombie in that prison yard that way, without wasting any ammo and with minimal danger to themselves. Any of us would have done it that way. But that doesn't make exciting television. So they send Rick into the prison yard and risk his life and waste a ton of ammo instead. Similar thing when they move into the first cell block. They fight all those zombies in the outside area, when they could have lured them to fence and killed them through the fence. Only the zombies wearing helmets and body armor had to be fought hand-to-hand.

    On the whole I thought this episode was more enjoyable than anything from last season. But it still bugs me to have unjustified poor tactics just to create more action.
     
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    I think the main reason for that was the opening in the other fence. Rick was running in to close that. Remember, they don't know how many zombies are in that other yard or how many zombies are along the outside of the prison. It's understandable that they'd like to push in to that other field to give them a second fence between them and the outside. I know I wouldn't feel comfortable sleeping with zombies on both sides.

    Now the way they pushed into the cells was pretty dumb, taking Herschel and all. Granted, Herschel is a hell of a shot.
     
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    I'd head for the hills. Literally. Claim the high ground, then attempt to defend it.
     
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    another fairly brutal episode tonight, although I felt they rushed the tension between Rick and the prisoners. I thought they would have let that go for another episode or two before having that break down.
     
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