Tim Howard close to losing Starting spot?

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  1. SweetLife

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    I have said this for the past year and a half.

    howard is losing his form.

    guzan is better right now and has been for the past few months.
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    A poor man's Kasey Keller. Capable of the athletic save that you think was impossible. Vulnerable on FK's and with a crowded box. Always, ALWAYS, had a lot of criticism for any perceived mistakes of his defenders, but never really seemed to ever acknowledge any of the balls that he had to pick out of his net might have been at least part his fault.
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    Looks like some have scores to settle...:eek:


    I still think he is our number 1 and no one is really close to him right now.


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    have you watched guzan with aston villa? his team is horrible but he has been outstanding.
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    I think Howard's long tenure has me biased, but i don't see him losing his NT starting spot to guzan unless howard does in fact get benched at everton. It's kind of like landon donovan, even when he's been in bad form he's kind of gotten a free ride to the NT starting lineup based on how vital he has been for our NT in the past. I think Howard is kind of in the same boat.
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    Yeah, he is decent but, is he better than Howard? I am not sure. If Howard does end up on the Bench then, there would be no debate.
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    I think Howard is the clear #1 for the US, partly because even though Guzan is now starting in the Premier League as well, experience counts in goal and Howard has a lot more experience at a high level and also specifically with the US squad. So while I do tend to think people over-rate Howard, Guzan needs to put in a full season this year and come back as a Premier League #1 next if he is to keep the pressure on. Half a season on a team that looks like a possible relegation candidate isn't exactly a match for Howard's years of play in the top flight. If Villa were to go down, what happens? I'd be happy to see Guzan get a game here and there for the US to give Howard a break now and then. But, he's still got some work ahead of him before he takes over.
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    I do agree though that if Howard gets benched this whole discussion could change quickly.
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    Are there some legal issues??:eek:
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    Badges? We don't need any stinking badges!

    To praise our most beloved starting GK, that is, until he no longer starts.

    So, anybody have any idea how Brad and Andres are getting on these days?
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    Howard's having a bad season for Everton. This doesn't automatically make him shit.

    I doubt he's benched.
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    So what I see from Wikipedia is that there are only two GKs in Everton. Also, Gordon is injury prone. I don't see any benching happening yet.
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    Guzan has been very good for Villa. He has saved Villa so many times this season. He should be given a real shot at the #1 spot. He commands his area so well.
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    one of the worst ways to measure a keeper right there.

    evertons team is so much better than villa it isnt even funny.
    its the kind of goals you let in not your save pct.

    howard has let in a bunch of howlers.

    guzan on the other hand has had to deal with a barrage of shots and made glorious saves.
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    one of the worst ways to measure a keeper right there.

    evertons team is so much better than villa it isnt even funny.
    its the kind of goals you let in not your save pct.

    howard has let in a bunch of howlers.

    guzan on the other hand has had to deal with a barrage of shots and made glorious saves.
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    A lot of the goals Timmy has let in this year have been him in poor positions. What makes it even more frustrating for Everton is this is one of their strongest squads in a long time with a lot of players in top form. Now to be fair to Howard, Heitinga/Jagielka/Distin have not been that good this year either. But Everton fans are calling for somebody that can take over for Timmy sooner rather than later.
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    There aren't many good quantitive ways to measure a keeper which is why I added, "FWIW". Guzan faces an average of about 4.4 shots on goal per match, Howard faces an average of about 4 shots on goal per match. It does come down to what the quality of those shots are but over the course of a season, probably not going to be too different.

    Has Howard really let in a bunch of howlers this season? It is rare for a manager to allow a GK to get to the point where the amount of howlers he lets in during a season goes from the unfortunate one, to two and then a bunch.
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    there have been a lot of bad goals that Timmy should save. As I mentioned the 3 CBs who were money for Everton last year, have not been anywhere near as good and Everton are supposedly desperate to get another CB in January (actually targeting Josh Gatt's teammate Vegard Forren).

    The reason they really haven't gone a different way is Everton doesn't have anybody better. Jan Mucha is mediocre in every way. At Villa, you had a guy in Guzan who had a good stretch last year when Shay Given was hurt and was so effective a lot of people felt that Guzan should remain the starter. At the beginning of the year, Given was awful. Guzan came in and a lot of the issues they had were minimized. They still suck (a lot of other issues with the team via bad buys from past years and lack of depth) but many Villa fans are afraid to think of where they'd be without Guzan
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    The gap is closing.................but Howard is still our clear #1.

    Whatever he does at Everton, he's been an absolute rock for the USMNT this cycle.

    We're in a tough spot if we're thinking about a keeper switch. The start of the Hex ain't the time to do it. Especially considering how little work Guzan has gotten with the USMNT this cycle. He wasn't even called up for the Russia friendly.............................

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