Vitesse Thread

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  1. pablo85

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    Now Vitesse is bought by a rich man.

    How long will it take before this topic is filled with Americans and Asians who are all Vitesse Arnhem fans since they were kids?


  2. JC-14

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    Wow, this is big news. Don't know what to think about this one. Vitesse should have been bankrupt half a dozen times already.

    Guess Ajax has another team that will say we are their archenemy.
  3. pablo85

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    I don't know why he chose a soulless club like Vitesse.
    He could better buy NEC on the other side of the river, more passionate people and a peoples club.
  4. JC-14

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    I don't know why a foreign billionaire would buy any club from the Eredivisie if it isn't Ajax, Feyenoord or PSV.

    Reasons I can think of:
    -Vitesse been looking for an owner for a long time.
    -Vitesse has a 25.000 stadium with the Gelredome.


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    That kid Marco van Ginkel had a solid game for a 17 year old on Saturday.
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    Pluim impressed me as well.
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    Did he score the first header?
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    No I don't think so. Pluim is a tall and skinny 18 (?) year old that created a few chances. Seemed quick with his feet. Not saying that he's anything for Ajax though.
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    Yeah Ajax doesn't need to buy youngsters. Plenty of our own talent in the midfield.
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    I think he's a striker/forward. Saw him roaming around the front line.

    Now doesn't this look like the kind of person you would trust your kids with?

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  11. CANADA-AZ

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    This is great news--more investment into the Eredivisie and hopefully another competitive team.

    who care where the money came from--just keep it coming

    This makes the league stronger and makes more contenders--less minnows

    Now lets hope he goes crazy like that crazy man at Alkmaar did and 3 years from now we will have another new Lands-campione

    funny how free enterprise works somethimes--every team needs a sugar daddy--it makes for an equal playing field
  12. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    I like sugar mumms better;)
  13. johan neeskens

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    I'm having a hard time understanding anyone who believes this is a good thing - but an AZ fan!!! If anyone ought to know why sugardaddies don't work it ought to be you. Besides, Scheringa, dodgy as he was, at least had some kind of emotional connection to the club. Do you seriously believe that this Georgian dude has loved Vitesse since childhood?

    Vitesse has a long history with attracting criminal investors to the club so on that side of things it's hardly surprising. Whatever soul they had left they have now sold to a Georgian of whom no-one really knows a) how much money he has and b) how he got it. Seeing that he got into a massive tax dispute over a measly 800,000 Euros I personally don't believe he's a billionaire to start off with. My prediction: FIOD to knock on Vitesse's door before the end of the fiscal year, bye bye Vitesse for good as not even the Arnhem municipality will forgive them for this.
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    i'm with you.

    the ones that disrespect vitesse right now are probably envious.

    mr. jordania, we have a certain sulejmani for sale :D
  16. johan neeskens

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    Vitesse have been the least respected club in the Dutch league for a long time now - surely you know why. This doesn't exactly improve their position either and that's little to do with envy but everything with self-respect still being a highly regarded value in Dutch football.
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    i know a fair amount of their youth players and i'm excited for them. your club received a new chance after your bankruptcy, so should vitesse.

    this is good news for the eredivisie and i don't see why 'rival' supporters would disregard vitesse for it other than the fact perhaps that they wished their club was taken over by this sugar daddy instead.
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    Indeed, he must have been influenced by the fact that Vitesse have a 25,000 seater stadium. Because as others have said, what a soulless club...
  19. johan neeskens

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    The moment Twente gets a sugardaddy I'm handing in my season ticket.

    The number one official motto of my club is solidarity. Hell will freeze over before Twente is sold to single individual to start off with, let alone a single individual with a criminal record.

    Again I wonder what you'll think of this when things go tits up for Vitesse. It's not the first time that theĆ½'ve been in this situation. You might want to do a google search for Aalbers.
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    I think their soullessness is exactly what attracted him to Vitesse. There's no way Heerenveen or Groningen or even Willem II or NAC would sell their club to an investor with no emotional connections whatsoever to the club.
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    history is written by the victors--sugar daddies work--we won in 2009

    in this world success is the only thing--morals and ethics are for those who want to live in monasteries--get real

    AZ won a championship under our guy--who cares who he is--what he does--how he got it--that he blew up--the ride was great for that year and the next

    if this guy makes Vitesse a champion no one will complain--maybe a Ajax bunch but they always moan and groan

    I don't see a lot of compalints about Chelsea buying anyone and everyone with stolen oil money--or are they somehow misguided as well?

    Ajax steals all the best players from the mionnows--is that ethical?--the minnows sell because they have no choice--is that ethical?

    Ethics and morals have their place but in capitalism its winning that counts

    sorry

    I'm a little too free enterprise here--it kind of reminds me of the gang who were crying when Oranje played to win and played rough instead of playing beautiful losing football

    I'm absolutley shocked that anyone thinks this is somehow bad
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    Well, I'm in two minds about this. It all depends what this man is planning on. I heard Frank van den Wall Bake (http://www.vdwbconsult.nl/nl/trackrecord.html) today on Radio 1 say this guy is a known (and apparantly reasonalby successful) football agent ('voetbalmakelaar'), although that would not explain the billions he reportedly sits on. Probably grabbed together in the 1990's cleptocracy that followed the former Soviet Unions' collapse.
    The only reason he (van den Wall Bake) could think of was to use Vitesse (a rather soul-less club on the edge of the cliff) and the Eredivisie (an entertaining and development-wise well respected league) as a stage to show case his 'merchandise'.

    If this takes hold in Dutch football, soon our youth development, our clubs and our national team will be no more.

    As a Dutch football talkshow guest (and comedian) said just a minute ago: We'll be Belgium!

    I don't see why other supporters' image of Vitesse and it's fanbase should be affected by this at all either, unless driven by unhealthy levels of envy.
  23. johan neeskens

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    Let me ask you a couple of questions. Why do you think football is the most popular sport in the world? Is that all about money? Why do you think a club like De Graafschap has a bigger fanbase than AZ? How many people do you think visit a Dutch football game every weekend without any hope of their club winning anything, and how do you think their number compares to the number of fans who expect their club to win a prize? How much joy do you think these fans who haven't a hope in hell of ever seeing their club win anything get from football?

    The soul of football isn't about money or success. The core of the success of football generally lies in the fact that people can enjoy it all levels. In professional football, the core of success lies in the fact that people develop emotional ties to their club. And here's the weird bit: the more lows you experience with your club, the more connected you feel with them Without those emotional ties, football is just another sport.

    As for Chelsea, let me put it this way: I thank god every day that the Dutch league hasn't reached the level of cynicism of the premiership.
  24. JC-14

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    lol
  25. johan neeskens

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    What envy? This isn't some well-known billionaire with a squeaky clean track record. This is someone who was arrested on multiple occassions for tax evasion, someone who just today at the press conference offered no insight into how he's earned his money.

    To me it's bad enough for a club to be dependent on the whims of one owner. We've all seen how that can go wrong, from AZ to Liverpool. But like I said at least the AZ owner had some emotional ties to the club, even though he was decidedly dodgy. Vitesse's new owner is both dodgy and has no emotional ties to the club.

    I am baffled that some of you think this is a good idea, I really am. I don't feel envious - I feel sorry for Vitesse fans. I also think it's very bad news for Dutch football as this will set a precedent. Who cares about being badly managed, soon we'll find a foreign saviour! Who cares about the background of said foreign saviour, as long as he buys us short-term success!

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