What do China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran & USA have in common?

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  1. Revolt

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    Very good news from New Jersey.
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    You forgot Japan.
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    Good for New Jersey.


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    Its a good point, but the report didn't list Japan as in the top of the death heap.
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    I didn't see any mention of Saudi Arabia in this report. :D
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    Disappointing but not unexpected.
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    Without getting this off track too much, I do think there are cases that warrant the DP, but instead of putting so much focus on the DP, I wish the US would revise our whole Prison system and work on ways to prevent repeat offenses, one way is through education.
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    They are all controlled by the Jews?
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    Bigger than that is programs for inmates after they get released. I work in a prision (in education), and everybody says the same thing: the staff says, "we do all we are able to help them cope, but outside is a totally different environment - it is not as structured." The inmates say, "I wish there was some kind of program to help me adjust. I had a halfway house, but it was not close to the job I could find and it was in an area that I wanted to get away from." BTW, between education and counseling, the recidivism rate drops 30% to 40% in a 3 year time frame - at least here in Arizona.
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    You obviously have a better knowledge base on this then I, part of what I would suggest would be looking at why some people are in prison and perhaps changing the sentence so that instead of going to prison they would goto some education based halfway house it would be far more beneficial.
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    I have mixed feelings about this subject. Some people have committed crimes so heinous (not necessarily murder) that they deserve to die. Aside from serious questions of reliability, it comes down to letting monsters live for public relations purposes.
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    I'm not a big supporter of the death penalty by any means, but I don't get why, of all the screwed-up things about the U.S., the European elites choose to get so worked up about America's use of the death penalty. In my experience, actual ground-level European people are just like Americans -- some of them are OK with the idea of capital punishment and some aren't. But European officialdom acts as if we're lashing rape victims or suspending democratic elections. They issue diplomatic complaints, call for clemancy for murderers whose guilt is not in doubt and refuse to hand over murder suspects to the U.S. without an assurance the death penalty will not be used -- even in the case of Osama bin Laden, should they ever find him.

    In Canada, there was recently a controversy because the Conservative government, reversing the previous government's policy, is declining to protest the of pending execution of a Canadian murderer in Montana. The opposition parties and Amnesty International had a fit. But if the American government were to complain about sentences the Canadian judiciary was handing out, you can imagine the angry denunciations of outside interference that would come out of Canada.
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    @ M1150:
    It may have to do with the experience European countries had with totalitarian states abusing the system. Americans haven't lived under a dictatorship therefore, the experience with rulers corrupting and misusing the system is smaller, the believe in the good nature and the rightness of the American constitution is far greater than that of the European counterparts.
    And I am pretty sure that most Europeans, but not most Americans, just have a different oppionion towards violence. Look at what kind of age-ratings violent movies get in Germany (Star Wars: The empire strikes back was 12+ in the 90ies). YOu can also see that in our opinion towards war and capital punishment.
    Basicvally, what it comes down to is the notion that no humanbeing should have the power to end another's humanbeing's life.
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    What are countries that have never been in my kitchen.

    I'll take famous mailmen for $1,000 Alex.

    Seriously, I oppose the death penalty for the simple reason that from a moral standpoint I don't believe the government should be in the business of intentionally killing people, but trying to say that somehow the U.S. the moral equivilant of these other countries simply because many americans support the death penalty is a stretch.
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    Quite possibly my favorite Cheers episode. :D



    As for the rest of this thread, I'm on the fence when it comes to the death penalty. Now, as soon as someone recommends the death penalty for an offense like blasphemy (like someone else on that list) then I'll have major, huge, masive issues with it.
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    That is only part of the solution. Crime upon crime is committed because of drugs - either buying, selling, using, or some combination. Thus, education is only part of the solution. A second part is figuring out a way to deal with the drug offences. Once that is accomplished, there is the whole process of getting people back into society. FFS, guys in here make about 5% of what they would on the outside, if not less. Teaching them how to budget on the outside, how to make good choices, how to get around, etc. Even simple things that we take for granted like teaching the guys how to use email or the internet.

    There is a huge list that is part of the solution. But each person will realize their errors at a different time. There are guys that I see on a daily basis who are in their early 20s that have clearly had a wake up call. Then there are guys who are in their 40s or 50s who talk about being tired of prision life and have decided they will do the right things to stay out.
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    Can we still kill child molesters and rapists?
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    No. They get candy now.

    Thankfully, Jersey still has an active mafia.
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    Stop it. This is self-serving BS on the part of Corzine. He wants to make sure that he is not executed after he and his state trooper escort kill someone next time they head out on the Turnpike.
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    No. They are deported to Thailand to become school teachers at exclusive English language schools, or the Priesthood.
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    Ah, yes, more moral equivalence from the left. You bet...without New Jersey, we'd be heading down the path of Pakistan or Iran. I knew that stoning provision would get defeated.

    As the great Les McCann and Eddie Harris said in their classic song, "Compared to What?"

    China -- # of executions per 10 million people: 115
    Iran -- # of executions per 10 million people: 38
    Iraq -- # of executions per 10 million people: 23
    Pakistan -- # of executions per 10 million people: 5
    USA -- # of executions per 10 million people: <2

    Oh, and when Iran executes its homosexuals with lethal injections after a dozen or so court appeals, you'll be sure to let me know, yes?
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    Only if they're falsely accused.
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    What about the ones when they find the corpses in the trunks of their cars?

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