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WIll not be sanctioned with 5 teams

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  1. MRAD12

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    10. The league is represented by one of the the dumbest lawyer’s, Pam Fulmer who is actually involved in the conspiracy to attempt to destroy magicJack. The league has three Governors who couldn’t run a lemonade stand. They have coaches who couldn’t train Lassie to bark. I genuinely feel sorry for Boston and New York who wanted to put on a great show and willing to make the investment to do so.

    :D

    i've said sahlen has the business model like dan and boston has the attendance ability to run a team in the black.

    dan don't like fitz.

    anyway, just bring magicjack back and work this stuff out. get 6 teams and give the fans some football. based on arizona attendance and the olympic soccer is hot, so dan is a bit wrong on that pt about not having a season.

    THIS IS NOTHING MORE THAN GUYS AND GALS WITH MONEY THROWING MUD NOW.

    is this season only 16 games, so they would have a yr to work things out, in fact they have had 4 yrs?
     
  3. MRAD12

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    http://www.sportsmyriad.com/2011/11/borislow-reasons-wps-is-dead-how-to-save-it/

    The one about the league has three Governors who couldn’t run a lemonade stand and they have coaches who couldn’t train Lassie to bark is hilarious. Awesome stuff.

    What about points 6 and 7:

     
  4. MRAD12

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    Here's a big question. If the league does not sanction WPS as a Div I league, how will that affect US National Team players? From what I understand USSF did not allow USWNT players (I assume players under contract) to play Div II in th past.

    What good would this league be without USWNT players? DB is right about that fans come out to see the USWNT stars. And BTW, how many USWNT have signed contracts so far?

    The league needs to find a 6th team. If MJ is not an option or not viable then the current owners may have to pony up some money and help someone in the league quickly. As someone mentioned, 5 teams is not a league, it is a round robbin.
     


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    ....what.... the F****....

    Okay, up until this point, I was one who would NOT have agreed with anyone who called the league a joke, just having to make really tough decisions in a tough time. If they think they can run the league for a season w/o sanctioning, though.... Just yikes. IMO if they didn't get sanction, they should play to O'Sullivan's "strengths" and take the year off.


    Other interesting stuff from Jenna:
     
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    FootyHeroUSA FootyHeroUSA @jenna_awk We made a comment yesterday about Borislow, simply stating his money & club were important to WPS as a whole. SBFC unfollowed us.


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    What the hell is this? Has everyone in the WPS lost their minds. Is this about the girls and the fans? And Brasil news notes: We'll drop Santos because the owner is a turd and loads his roster for fan viewing pleasure.
     
  7. pasoccerdad

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    It should be about what is best for ALL the players not just a select FEW
     
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    This, right here.
     
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    Yes, I can see how having an entire league playing unsanctioned is best for all the players over a sanctioned league with 20 extra roster spots...
     
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    So I guess the assumption is that the new WPS CEO and possibly the BoG's didn't realize this might happpen...
    "I've got an ocean front property in Arizona..if you'll buy that I'll throw the Golden Gate in free"
     
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    So, you are saying you'd prefer the WPS to be Div II with no NT players and sub-Fitz salaries, just as long as Dan doesn't comeback with MagicJack (just checking your footer) and his ideas about a league with players making descent salaries. Why would you worry about the WPS, since you have the W-League for that. Dan is about marketing. That's obivous, based on his little phone device. That being said, you really think the crowds will come to see the #1 draft pick vs Hope Solo after her stay on Dancing or Abby. Of course some will go but some will stay. The point is getting them in the stands the 1st place. Let me know when the college draft picks and benchers in the WPS pull 18000 in Arizona. Dont let your dislike for the man blind you. What ever he does wrong or write he brings balance to the WPS, just like Sahlen. Star loaded teams work in any sport, so why not the WPS which needs it more. As noted, he is only one independent franchise. So, how doesn;t he benefit the many when he is willing to spend to $2.5M and bring a team to your stadium that will pack the house. That's more revenues for his oppenent, given he gives the university all his revenues, which goes to student work program and athlete. you realize the kids that handled magicjack at FAU were in the student work program and those revenues he gave up went into FAU athletes. Add on top that buying all that air time which goes back to the WPS. So, i'm suppose to believe keeping him doesn't benefit anyone but his few NT players. i think he did ok for the 1st year coming in at the last second. as one user said, keep him from the players, which was taken care at the end of the season,. who cares what he thinks about the other owners. from what i see sahlen and boston are cool with him, and atl, phil and sbfu hate plus the president. based on his posts and thinking a bit for yourself, it's those 3 who are offering the $6000 salaries. that would be 3-2 in a vote since the president has no power. it's not hard to see.
     
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    Magic Jack sold out one stadium in the HOMETOWN of one star..

    Yes number increased across many teams right after the WWC, not just because of MJ

    Anyway from What Dan says, the numbers SUCKED for his getting MJ to Philly... It was one player that drove the numbers for MJ... no one cared about any other players right after WWC

    It would have been nice to see where MJ's numbers were this year across the league (WNY would still be the blip)

    Let me put in a real world perspective
    I see the logic about not paying an employee for the an entire year if they are only going to work Jan... a few days in march, a few days in April... miss 6 months, work a day or two in Sept and Oct then come back to work in december for 3 weeks.... and to boot, we pay the other employees who work year round less that the ones getting all the time off to go work another job...

    No, the time has past for them to make amends... they are too far apart in what they want

    This league needs the WNT and USSF to step up and say "We need this and are going to support it"

    Why should the tenured players on the WNT care ? They are in no danger of losing their day jobs
     
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    Yeah, pasoccerdad you'r right, realisically, they are too far apart to make it work. They don't like him, he doesn't like the way they run the league.

    If USSF insists that WPS have 6 teams to be sanctioned then I see one of 2 things happening.
    1. They all pitch in some cash and hurry a team like CT into the fold.
    2. Forgo sanctioning and play unsanctioned

    If the option is #2 then that may have an impact on the contracted USWNT players who may not be allowed by USSF to play in the league. Attendance will suffer because if there is one thing DB is right about IMO, it is that people go to see stars play, not just "good soccer". Fans may appreciate Ella Masar's work ethic and good soccer but they flock to see Solo, Abby, Boxx, etc.

    It's a shame it had to come to this. Yes we can blame DB for much of this and how he doesn't play by the rules etc. But Fitz and the others may have some blame in this as well.

    I think without a strong Commissioner both sides were allowed to overreact quickly and it spiraled out of control to the point of no return.
     
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    This disconnect is sort of amazing. I agree that the league will, as a side effect, end up benefiting the WNT and USSF insomuch as any league that keeps American players in the sport will. However, this attitude is so emblematic of the problems with this league.

    Some people want the WNT and USSF to step up, accept to play for lesser money and draw fans to the games (of course, at the same time, they deride these new fans for not knowing the other players, which, you know, sounds like a great way to maintain a fun atmosphere and keep them coming back). Then, they bristle whenever DB suggests that the league should actually work together with the USSF and WNT and support the USSF and WNT in turn.

    I don't necessarily think it should go as far as subordinating the WPS to the USSF. I do think there is an obvious intersection of interests but that the WPS is secretive and very bad at reaching out and trying to push an agenda that is mutually beneficial, instead of one that seems both arrogant, out of touch, and one that seems to actively dislike the WNT, and in turn, the USSF, not seeing a league that's amenable, is pretty distant.

    BTW, for those belly aching over the WNT, you might not have to worry about seeing them in the league. It's starting to look like the USSF thinks the league is not a very good partner and there are rumblings over foreign residency training camps. I'm not too thrilled about residency camps, but I am cautiously excited for the reported goodwill tour in Japan, including a friendly against Brazil in Japan (and I presume there'll be a friendly against Japan as well in there).
     
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    Not Lesser money, Fair money for the amount of work they are doing


    If you made 80K for playing in 18 games, why should they make 80k for 6 games ? Especially when you are not training with your team ?

    There was a fair amount of disconnect with the other players and the NT players last year

    as for the USSF, they need to recognise that several players would not have been on the WNT without the WUSA and WPS... Abby, Boxx and Sauerbraun to name 3 that may not have made the team without a league

    A trifle of financial support and allowing the WNT to talk about the WPS when they are on TV doins interviews... a bit of goodwill goes a long way.. The WPS promotes the WNT
     
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    I think this is extremely likely.

    It is looking more and more like the league will not be sanctioned but go on without the USWNTers (as they train in residency camps). I wonder what our only WPS signed player, Alex Morgan, will have to do...leave her contract? This is all very interesting...I wish I knew all the implications of not having a league sanctioned. Will the foreign national players have to forgo their WPS contracts as well?
     
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    Many played in the W-League, I know this not a concern, as far as I know Only the USSF banned their players from the W-League and WPSL... however, those without a USWNT contract are free to play in those leagues
     
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    The W-League and WPSL are sanctioned, I thought. Sanctioned as div. 2 leagues but still sanctioned. Is the WPS still expecting to be sanctioned just as div. 1 or div. 2 or is it a question of being sanctioned at all? Because if it's the latter, it might just be that the USSF - if WPS can't make div. 1 - will just say there are two strong div. 2 leagues. Find one of them to join.
     
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    Both existing leagues could not compete with the WPS teams and would never be able to be done, but ATL would be able to win more games
     
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    There's nothing unusual in either WPSL or the W-League about having a couple of elite teams that beat up on all the other teams in their division. Look at the Pali Blues, the Ottawa Fury, or the Freedom's own W-League team.
     
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    So WPS could solve the sanctioning problem by having the teams join the W-League or WPSL as a pro conference? Just for 2012 until they get expansion teams in 2013.
     
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    The TEAMS could "solve the sanctioning problem" by joining one of the lower divisions. However, I highly doubt those leagues would just say "yes, we'll take you and let you play in your own little group" - they'd have to play in the regular conferences and such just like all the other teams. And they wouldn't be able to call themselves WPS - basically WPS wouldn't exist for a year except as a name tacked on to a few teams.
     
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    Um ... no.

    I can't verify whether he reads these boards, but that definitely hasn't entered into his thinking. He's basing most of his argument on seeing huge crowds wherever Abby and company played.
     
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    No, it is not unusual to have a few powerhouses, but this is in terms of the only tough competition they would have would be other WPS teams

    When I was with the Wildcats, I so looked forward to them playing the Freedom because the speed of play was unreal compared to the rest of the games which they won by several goals and you could bet on how many goals the Wilcats would put up on other teams.. it was never a question of winning, it was always, "By how many"
     
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    It's an email from him, verbatim. The only change I made was to add spaces between sentences to make it a little easier to read.

    The message I'm getting from WPS is business as usual. I don't really know how that's possible. They can't possibly be serious about going unsanctioned. They would likely lose not only the current USWNT (those players might not participate under any foreseeable circumstance next year) but everyone who still harbors hopes of EVER playing internationally for ANY national team. No Christen Press. No Kelly Smith. No Ali Riley. You'd end up with teams that might not be any better than a high-level W-League or WPSL team.

    But we have no idea what USSF and WPS staffers are actually saying to each other. They're keeping it all close to the vest.
     
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