you are just saying random things like 'you are moving the goalposts' and not focusing on the discussion on hand. where is your proof that someone with a bmi of 28 has to pay more like you said was the case? you were incorrect so you need to admit it instead of making random claims such as overweight women earn 5000 less. fat men earn 2000 less? that is because fat people are usually stupid so it makes sense. it is not because they are not accepted when applying for higher paying jobs due to fatness. if anything they get hired more due to affirmative action. you can stop repeating 'you pay more because your demographic group costs insurers more' for the millionth time now. it is natural of you to try to end this because you dont have really much to say regarding this, and i refuted all of your claims. it is fine with me; i proved my point.